paarsurrey
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Please read book of Jonah for Sign of Jonah that (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah obviously referenced, the essence of it was living not dying in the event, please. Right?
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Three Days and Three Nights
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Regards
All happened on the 'third day' although the interval between the crucifixion of Good Friday afternoon until the dawn of Easter Sundy was hardly longer than one and a half days, has also an evidently biblical Jewish reason. Only in the context of the Hebrew Bible does this expression of the Apostles, which certainly is not meant literally, have its underlying significance for the history of salvation:
. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes....Gen 22:4
.On the morning of the third day there was thunders and lightenings and a thick cloud on the mountain
Exod 19:16 introduces the appearance of God on Mount Sinai
.On the third day Joseph said to them 'Do this and you will life. Gen42:18
.And Johah was in the belly of the fish three days, Jonah 1:17 before he was saved.
.On the third day Esther put on her royal robes after which Israel was saved out of its bitter affliction.
Esther 7:1
.After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up Hos6:2
.Rabbi comment in the Midrash Rabba 'The Holy One blessed be his name, never lets the just stay in affliction longer than three days.
excerpted Lapide 'The Resurrection of Jesus'
. On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes....Gen 22:4
.On the morning of the third day there was thunders and lightenings and a thick cloud on the mountain
Exod 19:16 introduces the appearance of God on Mount Sinai
.On the third day Joseph said to them 'Do this and you will life. Gen42:18
.And Johah was in the belly of the fish three days, Jonah 1:17 before he was saved.
.On the third day Esther put on her royal robes after which Israel was saved out of its bitter affliction.
Esther 7:1
.After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up Hos6:2
.Rabbi comment in the Midrash Rabba 'The Holy One blessed be his name, never lets the just stay in affliction longer than three days.
excerpted Lapide 'The Resurrection of Jesus'
lostwanderingsoul
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I have read it many times. Jonah was alive in the fish. Jesus was dead in the tomb. The sign was the amount of time. Jonah was in the fish three days and nights. Jesus was in the tomb three days and nights. And Jesus actually said that this was the ONLY sign of who he was. If you do not believe the sign then you do not believe Jesus.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I believe in (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah:
- and Israelite were never ever were waiting for a "dying , rising and resurrecting god ",
- this was a Hellenist god,
- and Hellenist Paul faked a vision and made things upside down
- to convert the credulous followers of Yeshua who did not accompany Yeshua in his travel out of Judea, out the hand of the Jews and the Romans,
- once he had survived death on the Cross
- and was treated for his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross, in the tomb of of Joseph Arimathea
- and when he got enough strength to travel
- he migrated from Galilee,
Regards
lostwanderingsoul
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No, sorry. not right. It is one thing to say you believe IN Jesus but a different thing to believe what he said. Christians accept the words of Jesus as being true.
And remember, that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.
Ebionite
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There are three different versions of the sign of Jonah, and "son of man" is not an exclusive title.
joelr
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There were several pagan demigods who died and rose in 3 days, before the 1st century. One was Osiris. Romulus had a death, resurrection, missing body but I'm not sure about the 3 days theme?
Osiris
Not only does Plutarch say Osiris returned to life and was recreated, exact terms for resurrection (anabiôsis and paliggenesia: On Isis and Osiris 35; see my discussion in The Empty Tomb, pp. 154-55), and also describe his physically returning to earth after his death (Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris 19), but the physical resurrection of Osiris’s corpse is explicitly described in pre-Christian pyramid inscriptions! Osiris was also resurrected, according to Plutarch, on the “third day,” and died during a full moon, just like Christ: Passover occurs during the full moon; and in Plutarch, On Isis and Osiris 39 and 42, Osiris dies on the 17th of Athyr, the concluding day of the full moon, and is raised on the 19th, two days later—thus three days inclusively, just like Jesus.Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier Blogs
Easter this year lands most fittingly on April Fool’s Day. Because indeed, the resurrection of Jesus is akin to the greatest prank in history. Not because anyone actually faked it (though the evidence we have left, remains fully consistent with their having done so: see Robert Price’s chapter...
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Messianic Israelite
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Hi and good morning rstrats.
The only sign of Yahshua's legitimate Messiahship was confirmed by the fact that Yahshua indeed did remain in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, in other words, 72 hours. Chr-stianity claims that the Messiah died on Friday afternoon and was raised on Sunday morning and yet this cannot at all fit in the 72 hours that clearly Yahshua refers to and is completely unbiblical. Chr-stianity have come up with ideas which are not scriptural. Yahshua said that just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights, so he would be in the heart of the earth in Matthew 12:40. The 'heart of the earth' is an idiomatic expression meaning in the tomb.
Why did Yahshua point to Jonah the prophet to confirm His Messiahship? Isn't one of the reasons because He knew that in our generation, and even in His generation, they are those who doubt the Jonah account probably the most. Yet here Yahshua is confirming that yes, Jonah was indeed in the belly of a great fish for three days and three nights. The Biblical accounts are true, and Yahshua being raised from the dead is tied to the legitimacy of the Biblical accounts. Jonah was in the belly of a great fish, and Yahshua did die, was put in a tomb and raised on the third day. Jonah tells us "out of the belly of Sheol cried I, and you heard my voice" in verse 2 of chapter 2. Sheol refers to the common grave. A parallel is made in verse 6 with the word pit (Hebrew -shachath), meaning the pit or grave.
When Yahshua died, at the end of the day called Wednesday, at sundown, His body was placed in the tomb, and the stone rolled before the door. Very soon thereafter, the first holy day of Unleavened Bread occurred when no work could be done. At the end of that high day, the priests went to Pilate and requested a guard to be posted at Yahshua's sepulcher and the stone sealed. The guard would have been withdrawn after the three days and three nights, during which Yahshua had specified He would be in the tomb. During the day of labor between the annual high day and the weekly Sabbath, the women prepared their spices and ointments to anoint Yahshua. Unable to enter the tomb because of the Roman guard and seal, they had to wait until the guard would be withdrawn. Therefore, they came at early dawn, but found the tomb empty. At that time, they saw a vision of angels telling them that Yahshua was alive , resurrected from the dead, and no longer there. None saw Yahshua until later.
I laugh. I do. There is no way that anyone can harmonize a 72 hour - 3 day and 3 nights in the tomb - with the faulty doctrine Chr-stianity teaches - that Yahshua was only in the tomb for 36 hours. That allows only half the time that He himself demanded. Nonetheless it is evidence that Chr-stianity has rejected the Messiah.
That would be an issue for a different topic.
That would be an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you might start one.
Was a daytime and/or a night time said to be involved when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have been?
joelr
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I don't know what you are talking about. There are links to the original sources from this scholar here:
Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier Blogs
Easter this year lands most fittingly on April Fool’s Day. Because indeed, the resurrection of Jesus is akin to the greatest prank in history. Not because anyone actually faked it (though the evidence we have left, remains fully consistent with their having done so: see Robert Price’s chapter...
www.richardcarrier.info
OK, let me repeat:
There are some folks who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. The Messiah said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40). Of those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" mentioned in the verse is referring to the tomb. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved with the Messiah's time in the tomb. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language. And that is the only issue of this topic, i.e., the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred. I wonder if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide actual examples/instances to support the belief of commonality.
Ebionite
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Three days and nights is off by a factor of two compared to the timeline from Luke of the burial of the crucified man (two night and one day), just like the number of central characters re "smite the shepherd" are off by a factor of two.
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Matthew 26:31
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man [that is] my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zechariah 13:7
And that is also an issue for a different topic.
Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate?
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Ebionite
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No, off by a factor of two relates to the topic of this thread because of the timeline discrepancy. Off by a factor of two from Zechariah 13:7 leads to Judas Iscariot, since teh word geber properly means warrior and Iscariot is a garbled form of sicarri. Judas Iscariot is also found from the context of Zechariah 11:12.