With the new year upon us, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in subsequent posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language such as the Messiah saying that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 nights when He knew that it would only be for 2 nights. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.
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Three Days and Three Nights
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lostwanderingsoul
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He says trhee days and three nights. Even an idiom cannot fit that much time between Friday evening and Sunday morning.
lostwanderingsoul,
re: "Even an idiom cannot fit that much time between Friday evening and Sunday morning."
Nevertheless, some say that it was common to forecast that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur. I am simply asking anyone who claims that it was common, to provide the examples they use to make the assertion of commonality.
re: "Even an idiom cannot fit that much time between Friday evening and Sunday morning."
Nevertheless, some say that it was common to forecast that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur. I am simply asking anyone who claims that it was common, to provide the examples they use to make the assertion of commonality.
peacecrusader888
Active Member
Matthew 12:40 states: "so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." It is very clear, "three days and three nights". How do you get three nights?
peacecrusader888,
re: "How do you get three nights?"
There are some who say that it was common to forecast that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur. I am simply asking anyone who claims that it was common, to provide the examples they use to make the assertion of commonality.
re: "How do you get three nights?"
There are some who say that it was common to forecast that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur. I am simply asking anyone who claims that it was common, to provide the examples they use to make the assertion of commonality.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm not really sure what you're looking for but maybe I can help.
In Judaism, including at the time of Jesus, a day started at sundown. Therefore, the day Jesus was crucified, namely Friday (before Shabbat), is the 1st day, Saturday is the 2nd, and Sunday is the 3rd day. Is it this that you're referring to?
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
When Jesus said He would be three days and three nights in the tomb ( see Matthew 12:40 ) He meant three periods of daylight and three periods of darkness. There is no clear statement that He died on Friday. It says the next day was a Sabbath but there are two kinds of Sabbaths. One is the weekly sabbath which is Saturday and the other is yearly sabbaths like Passover. There is evidence that the Passover sabbath was on Thursday so Jesus died on Wednesday. From late Wednesday to late Saturday would be three full days and three full nights. There is also no clear statement that Jesus rose from the tomb on Sunday. It only says that the tomb was empty when people arrived Sunday morning. Why do people try to make excuses to explain that the Bible does not mean what it says? It is easier to believe what is written there. Jesus was dead for 72 hours, three days and three nights. If you believe anything else you are saying the Bible is wrong and Jesus was lying. Iprefer to believe the Bible is right and Jesus told the truth.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Sabbath started then and still starts today on Friday sundown.
Luke.23:[56] Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
and:
John.19[31] Since it was the day of Preparation, in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the sabbath (for that sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
One must logically count the 1st day as being what we call "Friday" (prior to sundown), the 2nd day we call "Saturday", and the 3rd day we call "Sunday" in English. There's nothing in the gospels that says Jesus was in the tomb "72 hours".
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Mark 16:1 says that the women bought spices AFTER the sabbath was over. Luke 23:56 says they prepared the spices and THEN rested on the sabbath. Obviously two sabbaths with a day in between. Jesus died Wednesday afternoon. The women rested the first sabbath ( Thursday.). On Friday they prepared the spices and then rested on the second sabbath ( Saturday). That gives three full days and three full nights. Why does everyone try to explain why the Bible does not mean what it says? The Day of Preparation was Wednesday. The Passover Sabbath was Thursday and the weekly Sabbath was Saturday. In fact Jesus said that the ONLY proof that He was the sonn of God was that He would be three days and three nights in the tomb. If you do not believe this then you are calling Jesus a liar.
metis,
re: " Is it this that you're referring to?"
No, not for the purpose of this topic. Again, whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is discussed with 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection folks, some of them say that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language to explain the missing night time. I simply would like to see if anyone knows of any examples that forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place. If it is using common idiomatic language, there ought to be examples of that usage in order to be able to legitimately say that it was common.
re: " Is it this that you're referring to?"
No, not for the purpose of this topic. Again, whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is discussed with 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection folks, some of them say that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language to explain the missing night time. I simply would like to see if anyone knows of any examples that forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place. If it is using common idiomatic language, there ought to be examples of that usage in order to be able to legitimately say that it was common.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
It says Jesus appeared to people on the first day of the week. Not that He rose from the tomb. When the people went to the tomb before daylight, it was already empty. Was it empty for five minutes or five hours or what. There is nothing that clearly says Jesus rose on the first day of the week. Only that the tomb was empty and He appeared to some people on that day. Again people seem to go to any length to prove the Bible does not mean what it says. And that Jesus lied when He said three days and three nights would be the only proof that He was the Son of God. How sad that people say they believe in Jesus and worship Him but do not believe He meant what He said.
lostwanderingsoul,
re: "It says Jesus appeared to people on the first day of the week. Not that He rose from the tomb."
OK, if you don't accept the KJV, here are some others:
◄ Mark 16:9 ►
New International Version - "When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons."
New Living Translation - "After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning, the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons."
English Standard Version - "Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
New American Standard Bible - "Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
International Standard Version - "After Jesus had risen early on the first day of that week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had driven out seven demons."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English - "But at dawn, on the first day of the week, he arose and appeared first to Maryam Magdalitha, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
GOD'S WORD® Translation - "After Jesus came back to life early on Sunday, he appeared first to Mary from Magdala, from whom he had forced out seven demons."
Douay-Rheims Bible - "But he rising early the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he had cast seven devils."
English Revised Version - "Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven devils."
Weymouth New Testament - "But He rose to life early on the first day of the week, and appeared first to Mary of Magdala from whom He had expelled seven demons."
World English Bible - "Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
re: "It says Jesus appeared to people on the first day of the week. Not that He rose from the tomb."
OK, if you don't accept the KJV, here are some others:
◄ Mark 16:9 ►
New International Version - "When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons."
New Living Translation - "After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning, the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons."
English Standard Version - "Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
New American Standard Bible - "Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
International Standard Version - "After Jesus had risen early on the first day of that week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had driven out seven demons."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English - "But at dawn, on the first day of the week, he arose and appeared first to Maryam Magdalitha, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
GOD'S WORD® Translation - "After Jesus came back to life early on Sunday, he appeared first to Mary from Magdala, from whom he had forced out seven demons."
Douay-Rheims Bible - "But he rising early the first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he had cast seven devils."
English Revised Version - "Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven devils."
Weymouth New Testament - "But He rose to life early on the first day of the week, and appeared first to Mary of Magdala from whom He had expelled seven demons."
World English Bible - "Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
The King James Version is closer to the original meaning. Later translations are influenced by the beliefs of those doing the translating. And this still does not solve the three days and three nights question. No one wants to talk about the two different sabbaths in the same week. The Passover sabbath on Thursday and the weekly sabbath on Saturday. The women bought spices and prepared them AFTER the Thursday sabbath and then rested AFTER preparing the spices on the weeklu sabbath ( Saturday ). I say Jesus told the truth and you say He lied.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Luke 24:21 means that three days had passed since Jesus death. Thursday, Friday and Saturday.