Three Faiths, One God

[Francine]

"Begotten" in Greek translates as "generated". Zygotes are not "generated"

Those 400 million little swimmers in every ejaculation? Zygote generators, all of them.

 

[Popeyesays]

Those 400 million little swimmers in every ejaculation? Zygote generators, all of them.

No. Not the creation of Jesus Biblically or by the Quranic narrative. Not generation. Both sperm and ova are generated, the zygote comes about by fusion. In the case of Jesus there was no sperm.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Francine]

No. Not the creation of Jesus Biblically or by the Quranic narrative. Not generation. Both sperm and ova are generated, the zygote comes about by fusion. In the case of Jesus there was no sperm.

Quibble. Sperm and ova are not generated, they "come about" by meiosis.

 

[kai]

no need to quibble over biology its simple are Yahweh Allah and the trinity all one and the same god i say no

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Maimonides was a famous Jewish teacher of the 12th century. He made a list of 13 principles that include the basic beliefs of Judaism.[1]

1. God created everything, and continues to watch and control everything.
2. There is only one God, and God is perfect in every way.
3. God has no body, and is not like anything in the world.
4. God has always existed, and will always exist.
5. People should pray only to God.
6. The words of all the Jewish prophets are true.
7. Moses's prophecies are true, and Moses was the greatest prophet that ever existed or will exist.
8. God gave the Torah to Moses.
9. The Torah will not be changed, and there will not be another Torah.
10. God knows the thoughts and actions of all people.
11. God will reward people who act according to His rules, and punish people who do not.
12. The Messiah will come.
13. God will bring the dead back to life.

the fundamental view of Jews of their god

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The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads:

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.​

Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."​

the fundamental view of the god of Muslims​

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The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God is one Being Who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons (not to be confused by "person"[1]): the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern Christianity and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as " three persons[2] in one God," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being. The doctrine also teaches that the Son Himself has two distinct natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, united in a hypostatic union. Support of the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism. Most denominations within Christianity are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a mark of Christian orthodoxy​

the fundamental view of the god of Christians​

if you can tell me how this could possibly be one and the same god , (without the god can be anything stance) i would be grateful​

source wiki

 

[Francine]

1. God created everything, and continues to watch and control everything...

Did God create Auschwitz? Did God watch and control Auschwitz?

 

[kai]

[/list]Did God create Auschwitz? Did God watch and control Auschwitz?

i dont know you will have to ask maimonedes but i think he is dead

 

[Alpha]

The Judeo-Christian God (i don't know about the muslim God) appears from the original texts (OT & NT) to be a God that interviens with the world. God may be in control of everything, but may not directly cause everything. A theory is just like cold is the abcence of heat, could evil (auchwitz etc.) be the abcence of God.

just a thought




*Praise the Lawd!! :shout*

 

[kai]

The Judeo-Christian God (i don't know about the muslim God) appears from the original texts (OT & NT) to be a God that interviens with the world. God may be in control of everything, but may not directly cause everything. A theory is just like cold is the abcence of heat, could evil (auchwitz etc.) be the abcence of God.

just a thought




*Praise the Lawd!! :shout*

or it could be a genocidal anti semetic political movement called national socialism :yes:

 

[arthra]

The similarities of Judaism, Christainity and Islam are that they all mention successive revelations and Messengers... All claim to be monotheist and trace themselves back to a common Source.. All share common ethics and love of the Creator...They all have a vested interest in Jerusalem...

At various periods of history they have lived peacefully together but we remember better of course the negative conflicts..

Today I think the best example of how Muslims, Christians and Jews can get along is in inter-faith dialogue and organizations:

The World Paliament of Religions that is held from time to time..

Parliament of the World's Religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and local Inter-faith councils..

I would urge anyone to particpate in their local inter-faith council to experience common prayer and common goals!

- Art

 

[Popeyesays]

God created all the material that went into Auschwitz--every atom and sub-atomic particle that went into it. Man assembled that material and used it for man's purposes.

By the way, you do understand that Oswiciem was just a little Polish town with an army artillery base, there was no real intent for the original structure to do anything more than barrack soldiers and horse teams to draw the guns. That's why the Nazis used it in the first place--because of the stables being easily converted to prison facilities. The base also had kitchen facilities and office space.

So, in a nutshell, yes it was the Nazis, not God--free will in action.

Regards,

Scott

 

[Alpha]

or it could be a genocidal anti semetic political movement called national socialism :yes:

by national socialism i assume you are talking about the Nazis? Well, the Nazis did not worship the Christian God and deffinitly not the Jewish God, they worshiped the Sun (wikipedia it, i'm sure its there)

 

[Popeyesays]

by national socialism i assume you are talking about the Nazis? Well, the Nazis did not worship the Christian God and deffinitly not the Jewish God, they worshiped the Sun (wikipedia it, i'm sure its there)

What the extremist SS folks did and did not believe has nothing to do with it. Hitler was technically a Roman Catholic, but he had no interest in religion other than as a temporary ally when he could use the cooperation.

The SS tried to institute Germanic paganism (Odin) to chip away at the power and authority of the church, but that's all it was.

Regards,
Scott

 

[kai]

The similarities of Judaism, Christainity and Islam are that they all mention successive revelations and Messengers... All claim to be monotheist and trace themselves back to a common Source.. All share common ethics and love of the Creator...They all have a vested interest in Jerusalem... Judaism does not recognize any revelations from the new testament,Christianity does not recognize any revelations in the Quran all claim to have a belief in one god except the mystery of the trinity and i have yet to actually get a rational explanation for the Islamic vested interest in Jerusalem and they certainly don't share common ethics

At various periods of history they have lived peacefully together but we remember better of course the negative conflicts.. when was this and please don't say Andalusia

Today I think the best example of how Muslims, Christians and Jews can get along is in inter-faith dialogue and organizations: true they can recognize each others existence but can never reconcile each others beliefs

The World Paliament of Religions that is held from time to time..

Parliament of the World's Religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and local Inter-faith councils..

I would urge anyone to particpate in their local inter-faith council to experience common prayer and common goals!

- Art

i would be interested in the concept of common prayer which is acceptable to these three diverse religions

 

[kai]

religion and th nazis is subject which theists tend to think naxis had no religion but that is not true
Hitler extended his rationalizations into a religious doctrine, underpinned by his criticism of traditional Catholicism. In particular, and closely related to Positive Christianity, Hitler objected to Catholicism's ungrounded and international character — that is, it did not pertain to an exclusive race and national culture. At the same time, and somewhat contradictorily, the Nazis combined elements of Germany's Lutheran community tradition with its northern European, organic pagan past. Elements of militarism found their way into Hitler's own theology; he preached that his was a "true" or "master" religion, because it would "create mastery" and avoid comforting lies. Those who preached love and tolerance, "in contravention to the facts", were said to be "slave" or "false" religions. The man who recognized these "truths", Hitler continued, was said to be a "natural leader", and those who denied it were said to be "natural slaves". "Slaves" — especially intelligent ones, he claimed — were always attempting to hinder their masters by promoting false religious and political doctrines.
Anti-clericalism can also be interpreted as part of Nazi ideology, simply because the new Nazi hierarchy did not allow itself to be overridden by the power that the Church traditionally held. In Austria, clerics had a powerful role in politics and ultimately responded to the Vatican. Although a few exceptions exist, Christian persecution was primarily limited to those who refused to accommodate the new regime and yield to its power. A particularly poignant example is seen in the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. However, the Nazis often used the church to justify their stance and included many Christian symbols in the Third Reich

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The persistent idea, as evidenced through popular culture of the last fifty years, that the Nazis were directed by occult agencies has been dismissed as modern cryptohistory, in the sense that such an agency "has remained concealed to previous historians of National Socialism


Nazi occultism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The SS had invented its own mystical religion, based very loosely upon imagery taken from Germanic tribal faiths combined with Christianity and "visions" from those figures in order to counter what they viewed as the Jewish-influenced religion of Christianity.[40] Mystical organizations were created, usually connected with elite SS corps, and adopting specific rituals, initiations and beliefs.[41] This religion was seen as the German original race-cult religion (ursprüngliche Rassenkult-Religion, a phrase attributed to SS-member Rudolf J. Mund), however, what exactly was indoctrinated in the SS about it is not known


I nshort the world will have to accept with shame that germany a modern christian country during the 1930-1945 behaved in such a way and not to try and blame some kind of occult or pagan idealism

 

[Popeyesays]

i would be interested in the concept of common prayer which is acceptable to these three diverse religions

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In the agencies with which I have worked, we've always taken turns with prayers at open and close of the meetings. Sometimes special prayers for healing or unity are given as well and turns are taken with that as well.

The Muslims may think that the Baha`is are misled or mistaken, but they do not cause disunity in those meetings by pointing it out or refusing to participate in prayers.

Men of good will will find a way to work toward good objectives in unison with others of good will.

Regards,

Scott

 

[kai]

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In the agencies with which I have worked, we've always taken turns with prayers at open and close of the meetings. Sometimes special prayers for healing or unity are given as well and turns are taken with that as well.

The Muslims may think that the Baha`is are misled or mistaken, but they do not cause disunity in those meetings by pointing it out or refusing to participate in prayers.

Men of good will will find a way to work toward good objectives in unison with others of good will.

Regards,

Scott

i find that very admirable Scott, the more this happens the more understanding can flourish

 

[Popeyesays]

i find that very admirable Scott, the more this happens the more understanding can flourish

As humans we can always choose to work toward common benefits. That's part of free will, too.

Have some frubals, too.

Scott

 

[Dirty Penguin]

this is the commision directly from christ after in a vision on the road to damascus

And this vision was suspect.............

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yes, I know the Muslims claim the Bible was corrupted, but the problem with this theory is that there's no actual evidence to support it. The evidence that we do have overwhelming shows that the Bible is the most creditable ancient literary document of all time. There are over 24,000 New Testament manuscripts that have been found, nearly 6000 that have been found in the original Greek it was written in. We have fragments of the New Testament from as little as 30 years after the original was first written, and at least one complete copy for all of the Biblical books of the New Testament around 150 years after they were first written. In contrast, there are been no Qur'an manuscripts fragments dated before 120 years after Muhammad's death, and the entire Qur'an is not found until 200 years after Muhammad's death.

Number of New Testament Manuscripts:
New Testament: 24,000; 6000 in the original Greek
Qur'an: ?????

Time between Earliest Fragment and the Original Writing:
New Testament: 30 years
Qur'an: 120 years

Time between the Earliest Complete copy and the Original Writing:
New Testament: 150 years
Qur'an: 200 years

Number of Uncertainties about what was Written in the Original Text:
Bible: 120 - 99.8% Accuracy
Qur'an: ?????

There's no question that the New Testament is much more credible than the Qur'an in the area of Textual Criticism. The New Testament can be proven unchanged over the past 1800 years. The only room for corruption would have been in the 150 years between the original, and even then it is very unlikely due to the many fragments of manuscripts that have been found. Any chance that the Bible has been corrupted is small in comparison to the chance that the Qur'an has been corrupted since the Qur'an has much fewer manuscripts and a larger period of time between the original and the first fragments and the first complete copy. There is no valid reason to believe the New Testament has become corrupt without also believing that every other work of ancient literature, including the Qur'an, has also become corrupt, since the New Testament has more support than all others.

From what I hear the quran today is the same as it was a few hundred years ago which is the same as it was when it was revealed. I give you one thing....man added the diacritical markings but the message remained the same. There have been earlier manuscripts of the bible viewed so people had to go and take out some stuff because the earlier manuscripts did not contain this extra info. The "bible" itself was compiled together by men to produce a complete reference. There were hundreds of scriptures that the christian church felt as though were not worthy to be accepted as holy scripture. I'm not saying one is better than the other but your take on this may be off the mark given the bible's many "versions" over the years....

 

[kai]

what has this to do with three faiths one god, of which i am arguing against