Tired of being called a sinner?

[Quagmire]

Just say:

"Matthew 7:5"

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Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Refuse to talk to them for about 20 minutes afterwards.
Then if they start again say:

"Matthew 7:5"
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And if they still don't get it look deeply into one of their eyes for a moment and ask, "Is that Knotty Pine or Douglous Fir"? :yes:

 

[McBell]

And if they still don't get it look deeply into one of their eyes for a moment and ask, "Is that Knotty Pine or Douglous Fir"? :yes:

Oak.
Cause it is stubborn.

 

[Quagmire]

Oak.
Cause it is stubborn.

With deep, twisted roots. :yes:

 

[McBell]

On another occasion I told my BIL that he needs hurry and remove the plank because I was wondering if his eyes were indeed brown or if he was a quart low.

 

[challupa]

Just say:

"Matthew 7:5"

​

Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Refuse to talk to them for about 20 minutes afterwards.
Then if they start again say:

"Matthew 7:5"
​

Now that one I like and probably can even use. Thanks for making me laugh!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Hey Dirty Penguin,are you ?...a dirty penguin, anyways, could you also be presuming too much in your postion.
Do you know for fact God does not exist.
Not that this is the only evidence,but
what is your explanation for the vast, yet detailed and complex life that exists, not to mention the natural cycles ie:hyrdological, seasons,food cycle.
What about our climate and air is that just random chance that these things exist as they do,creating perfect enviroment for life to exist.
What about the natural drive for man to be, safe, healthy, protected, provided for, loved,needed,accepted,affirmed,freedom,forgiven, to have purpose, hope, faith, peace,visions, dreams, goals,would'nt life be empty without and where do they come from,man's own inclination.
What about the natural drive for mankind to want to live and not die.
How do you explain all this order and desire within the human soul.

Are you serious. You're throwing so much out there that doesn't need addressing. This stuff has been answered already. Science has pretty much tackled these and has done a good job with these things.

Random,chance, natural selection......I think that takes more faith and belief then it does for a Christian to have in God.

So because you personally don't understand evolution and the scientific methods you think it must be "faith" on my part?...NOTE: This thread wasn't about evolution.

There are alot of those "Dogma's" in society today, yours being one of them

I'm not "preaching" atheism to win converts. I simply state my position before people start trying to "save me".......(Dogmatic Rhetoric) seems to be well suited to those who believe all others need to be following their way of life. I'm an atheist. I could care less whether you are or not. I'm not on the TV or knocking door to door to spread a message.

,but if it were only for dogma's, doctrines, philosophy, beliefs etc,then this conversation and the desire to know,is futile.

Maybe...but there's nothing special about yours over some one elses.

We can't see the forest for the trees and therefore get caught up in the here and now,schedules,agendas, duties, career and never ponder life's purpose, the "what if's"
We are in survival instinct, just getting by, taking so many things for granted without even a thought of the wonders of life or special things in life that make sense and.... matter.

See....there you go....speak for yourself

Yea, I get caught up in those things because they are necessary...but I don't take anything for granted.

We spend most of our time rationalising, philosophizing,generalisng,doubting,worrying,feeling, fearing and miss the purpose of life that is within us all.

I do some of those things because it's natural for us to do so but I still enjoy my life.

I agree,but there are alot of things that you can't see,yet believe and accept, without varifiable ,emperical evidence.

example please....or are you presuming to know what other things I believe or don't believe?

Why is it you accept these things, especially based on another's expereince or word.

Again, you're gonna have to show me.

Are you saying there are no stipulations in life, there everywhere around us,but you accept them as the "norm"

Not what I'm saying at all. Of course there are things we can and can not do. My question was and is..Why would an omnipotent, omniscient god do that if it is futile to do so?

Is that a question that is seeking an answer, if so...
Your conscience will be make it clear.

No, it would be a logical statement. Your god existed outside of space and time. He is the creator of space and time. He is the designer of all that exist within the space and time he created. All that exist with in the space and time he created submits to his will. He knows all that will happen with in the space and time he created....so basically I am submitting to his will, his design. So there's no need for judgment and punishment if this all by his design.....right??

That's assuming you happen to believe in gods.......:no:

 

[Heneni]

I'm a sinner.
And as one I have no right to cal someone else one.
If someone is calling you a sinner because you don't believe in 'God' they themselves are worse for trying the judge.
Judging others is not the sign of a 'Christan' but the sign of a hypocrite.
I'm personally sorry if what others say is bringing you down. If you are happy in the truth that you live by, don't let another take it away.

If you call yourself a sinner, what would be the harm in someone else calling you a sinner? If you judge yourself as a sinner, why call it judging when someone else calls you a sinner as well?

By your own words you have judged yourself as a sinner. And so, everybody's words are their judge.

If you called yourself a son of god, would somebody disagree with you? Sure they would. But nobody is going to disagree with you when you say you are a sinner. It appears to be a 'humble' statement.

Heneni

 

[blackout]

If you called yourself a son of god, would somebody disagree with you? Sure they would. But nobody is going to disagree with you when you say you are a sinner. It appears to be a 'humble' statement.

Heneni

Actually I would be more inclined to suggest that you call yourself a son of god, than a sinner.
There is nothing 'humble' about calling yourSelf a sinner.
It is a wholly negative cast of Self...
and I disagree that there is anything of worth to be gained by it.
Son of god would be better... as we are all ONE with the Whole of the ALL that IS.

Signed,
"not a nobody"
AKA "Somebody".

 

[Alceste]

If you call yourself a sinner, what would be the harm in someone else calling you a sinner? If you judge yourself as a sinner, why call it judging when someone else calls you a sinner as well?

Because Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". To anyone who stops to consider it, this obviously means that before we judge others, we must determine whether we are "stainless" ourselves. And, since nobody is, apart from Jesus (and Mary, for Catholics) is without sin, no Christian has the right to judge another.

A Christian who calls somebody a sinner is a rubbish Christian. A Christian who recognizes he is a sinner is simply following the teaching of Christ.

I would have thought that would be a pretty obvious one.

 

[challupa]

Actually I would be more inclined to suggest that you call yourself a son of god, than a sinner.
There is nothing 'humble' about calling yourSelf a sinner.
It is a wholly negative cast of Self...
and I disagree that there is anything of worth to be gained by it.
Son of god would be better... as we are all ONE with the Whole of the ALL that IS.

Signed,
"not a nobody"
AKA "Somebody".

I agree with this. It is far better to see yourself as divine than a sinner I would think. It is unhealthy for society to be seeing themselves as shameful guilty sinners imo.

 

[gnostic]

Just say:

"Matthew 7:5"

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Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Refuse to talk to them for about 20 minutes afterwards.
Then if they start again say:"Matthew 7:5"

I think that most fanatics have the tendency to ignore this; they believed in pointing out your faults in attempts to save you, while ignoring their own faults...let alone Jesus' teachings about not judging or persecuting others.

It's sort like selective hearing.

 

[Quagmire]

I agree with this. It is far better to see yourself as divine than a sinner I would think. It is unhealthy for society to be seeing themselves as shameful guilty sinners imo.

Maybe we're all divine sinners. :yes:

 

[challupa]

Maybe we're all divine sinners. :yes:

Maybe...

 

[McBell]

I think that most fanatics have the tendency to ignore this;

It has to be done every time constantly.
Just every once in a while won't get the job done.

they believed in pointing out your faults in attempts to save you, while ignoring their own faults...let alone Jesus' teachings about not judging or persecuting others.

Jesus never once, in the Bible, taught anyone to not judge.
Matthew is a warning, not a command.

 

[Comicaze247]

I just realized that I never addressed this

Christianity does not necessitate the doctrines of Biblical inerrancy or Literalism, popular as they are. I know there are minor contradictions and scientific errors in Scripture, and I'm not arguing that. What I was getting at was, Scriptural minutia aside, do you see any contradictions in the general story? The Passion, for instance?

I actually don't know of any contradictions in it. I mean, it's just the story of his sufferings, correct? My memory of the story may be rusty, but I see nothing to contradict, as it is an account of events, rather than doctrines. In order to contradict it, I'd have to go back in time. At least, that's what I'm understanding from your question, lol. I'm really not sure how to answer it any other way.

 

[challupa]

I just realized that I never addressed this


I actually don't know of any contradictions in it. I mean, it's just the story of his sufferings, correct? My memory of the story may be rusty, but I see nothing to contradict, as it is an account of events, rather than doctrines. In order to contradict it, I'd have to go back in time. At least, that's what I'm understanding from your question, lol. I'm really not sure how to answer it any other way.

There may not be too many contradictions in the passion, however, what happened after seems to be open to speculation. There are a few versions of the resurrection and I would have to say if the veil of the temple ripped asunder and the dead left their graves, some local historian should have mentioned it somewhere in our history books. People were literate and I would imagine that would have been a huge story. Silence??