Titanic

[Stevicus]

Congrats to Don Jr. For Being The First To Turn The Missing Sub Into a Conspiracy Theory​

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Well, that figures. At least from what's come out on this already, with other engineers and experts weighing in, it seems like this submersible was a disaster waiting to happen. So, now it's happened. No conspiracy that I can see, just incompetence and arrogance, two human frailties which seem to plague many of us.

On the other hand, I sometimes think about stories I've heard, about the possibility of ghosts or spirits around the wreckage. I'm not really a believer in that myself, but I suppose anything is possible. They are, after all, prowling around a gravesite, and I've seen some criticism over that.

 

[Stevicus]

I love the sea, but the Mediterranean is actually like a cradle, you feel safe in.
I would never swim in the open Ocean, that's for sure.

I suppose, although the Romans did lose a lot of ships in the Med, and so did a lot of other countries over the centuries. In fact, when I was reading up on the Californian, I saw that it was later torpedoed by German submarines in the Mediterranean during WW1.

 

[Father Heathen]

No tragedy at sea was as horrible as that of the Titanic.

Wrong. MV Wilhelm Gustloff - Wikipedia

 

[Father Heathen]

I distance myself from those who see conspiracy theories anywhere.

Astral projection?

 

[Estro Felino]

Wrong. MV Wilhelm Gustloff - Wikipedia

Thank you...I didn't know.
But the warlike context I guess makes it unique.

 

[Mock Turtle]

They did know that the risk of icebergs was very high at that time of the year.
But the delirium of omnipotence made them believe that even if the ship had hit an underwater rock or an iceberg, the ship would have never sunken
And that's absolutely true.
Hitting an iceberg or a cliff at normal/slow speed would have created a really minimum damage.
That would have made the ship stay afloat.

But if you hit an iceberg or a rock at an incredible speed, the friction caused by the high kinetic energy basically cuts the hull as if it were a knife.
At slow or normal speed, it may have caused a huge dent, but nothing more.
Something repairable.

I don't think this is true - given the normal speed of the ship over what it might have been doing, which is not that different - since inertia is the main culprit here, and if the ship hits anything the result will mostly be the same at either speed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well..someone must have taken the decision to go that fast. By night, even.
I don't think it was the Captain.

The banking elite...obviously!

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I guess the Titanic tragedy is symbolic of the recklessness and myopic arrogance that one can observe among those in high places. They may not mean to do anything bad, but as the line goes, overconfidence is their weakness.

In all things, humans learn by failure.
The overly cautious (OC) tend to be out-competed by
the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed-ahead crowd.
But failure leads to the OCs getting their say.
I'm most familiar with vehicle history.
It's riddled with learning experiences.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think this is true - given the normal speed of the ship over what it might have been doing, which is not that different - since inertia is the main culprit here, and if the ship hits anything the result will mostly be the same at either speed.

Across history, ships have hit icebergs countless times, and never sank. Because they did know there were icebergs, so they chose a low speed. I can give you numerous examples. After all...that kind of reinforced steel is much more powerful than ice...which is water basically.
Try to break a steel object with a big piece of ice and then let me know

It's the incredible, unimaginable speed that creates the friction.

 

[Estro Felino]

The banking elite...obviously!

If you want to participate to this thread, just express your take.

Thank you.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to participate to this thread, just express your take.

Thank you.

Post #28.

 

[Stevicus]

In all things, humans learn by failure.
The overly cautious (OC) tend to be out-competed by
the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed-ahead crowd.
But failure leads to the OCs getting their say.
I'm most familiar with vehicle history.
It's riddled with learning experiences.

As long as people are upfront and honest about the risks, then at least people can go in with eyes open. But if people are told that something is "unsinkable," that's a different matter. It doesn't mean we shouldn't take risks, but wanton carelessness is not recommended.

 

[Estro Felino]

In all things, humans learn by failure.
The overly cautious (OC) tend to be out-competed by
the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed-ahead crowd.
But failure leads to the OCs getting their say.
I'm most familiar with vehicle history.
It's riddled with learning experiences.

What a coincidence...it's always speed that causes incidents.

 

[Stevicus]

This could be their last hope:Victor 6000: The French underwater robot searching for Titan survivors

A French robot sub which can descend to 20,000 feet.

 

[Revoltingest]

As long as people are upfront and honest about the risks, then at least people can go in with eyes open. But if people are told that something is "unsinkable," that's a different matter. It doesn't mean we shouldn't take risks, but wanton carelessness is not recommended.

They prolly believed it was actually unsinkable.
Murphy's Law was known, but hadn't yet been
so named when the Titanic was designed & put
in service. (It arrived in 1949.) So awareness of
the concept was more lacking back then.

Trivia...
Among design criteria I had for products,
were "foolproof" & "damn foolproof".
The latter involves intent & more aggressive
stupidity.

 

[Estro Felino]

As long as people are upfront and honest about the risks, then at least people can go in with eyes open. But if people are told that something is "unsinkable," that's a different matter. It doesn't mean we shouldn't take risks, but wanton carelessness is not recommended.

It actually was unsinkable. In fact her twin, the Olympic was hit by a warship, while the latter was arriving in the harbor.
The damage was huge, yet it didn't sink, because of the low speed.

I think that sailing in the dark at that abnormal speed, by night, in waters filled with icebergs is suicidal.

 

[Revoltingest]

What a coincidence...it's always speed that causes incidents.

That's why when I haul machinery, I travel
only 55-60 mph max. Things that go wrong
do so more slowly. Been there & done that.
But the Titanic's problems were manyfold, eg,
- Raging coal bunker fire.
- Poor communication protocols.
- Risky weather conditions ignored.
- Metallurgical defects.
- Lifeboat shortage.
- Poor observation protocols.
- Lax seamanship.

 

[Revoltingest]

It actually was unsinkable.

Until it sank.

 

[Father Heathen]

I blame the banking elite.

Some are blaming "wokeness": Trapped OceanGate CEO Refused To Hire ‘50-Year-Old White Guys With Military Experience'

Despite that, the CEO has long donated to republican candidates, however: OceanGate CEO Missing in Titanic Sub Had History of Donating to GOP Candidates

 

[Revoltingest]

Some are blaming "wokeness": Trapped OceanGate CEO Refused To Hire ‘50-Year-Old White Guys With Military Experience'

Despite that, the CEO has long donated to republican candidates, however: OceanGate CEO Missing in Titanic Sub Had History of Donating to GOP Candidates

The reasons given in the 1st link actually make
sense. Rather than being "woke", it's about
presenting an inspiring image to whippersnappers.
I respect such bald faced manipulation....when
for a good cause.