To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[stvdv]

As I thought....histrionic conflations Holocaust & abortion....genocide & abortion.
You fail to recognize that most of us don't consider abortion to be "murder".
Fundies want to impose bizarre Biblical interpretations upon others.

as nothing to do with fundies… it is simple logic. I know you like to throw in “religion” whenever logic is used.

Well, we can't blame people for that:
Theists attacking with Atom bombs (God)
Should expect natural fallout; their fundies..

 

[Argentbear]

Are you saying that counseling for trauma and depression is not a professional treatment?

Only if there is trauma and even then that counseling needs to be part of a holistic approach based on the individual person.

 

[stvdv]

Stop insisting I'm putting words in your mouth

If you stop doing that, I will stop too, naturally

 

[Revoltingest]

God never asked for it
Nor expressed gratitude

Same with demons.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you stop doing that, I will stop too, naturally

Since I have never once done that, now you're just trying to avoid my arguments. Why?

 

[Revoltingest]

Abortions means to "kill" the unborn
If done after 4 month 9 days

It means that to you.
But it looks arbitrary to me.

Sex transition means to "kill" one gender, so the other gender hopefully can be happy

That's life ... Kill and be killed ... no one escapes

I suppose you'd oppose "killing" or "murdering" malignant
tumors too? This shows that to reason by agenda laden
usage of labels can lead to absurd conclusions.

 

[Revoltingest]

My post was as a reply to @Revoltingest, and I replied in that context:
a) 12, 13 year old ... Gender Dysphoria
vs
b) 40+ year old ... Heart transplant

You misunderstood the analogy.
It was about surgery having big risks,
but nonetheless being worth those risks.
@Shadow Wolf understands it.

Damaged as in "female has her breasts taken away, when transitioning"

If a trans male desires to be physically male,
then removing hooters isn't "damage".

The common biblical view that there are 2
immutable sexes, & that this can never be
changed is a simplistic, backward, & dangerous
view for people whose circumstances weren't
knowable to ignorant goatherds who wrote
the Bible. (IMO)

 

[stvdv]

A murderer uses a knife to cut and kill
A surgeon uses the same knife to cure

I go for cure

That applies to abortions & sex transition too.

True

Abortions means to "kill" the unborn
If done after 4 month 9 days

Sex transition means to "kill" one gender, so the other gender hopefully can be happy

That's life ... Kill and be killed ... no one escapes

It means that to you.
But it looks arbitrary to me.

I suppose you'd oppose "killing" malignant tumors too?
This shows that to reason by agenda laden usage of
labels can lead to absurd conclusions.

Show me where I said:
"I oppose killing?"

 

[Revoltingest]

Has nothing to do with fundies… it is simple logic. I know you like to throw in “religion” whenever logic is used.

Ya wouldn't know logic if'n it came up & bit ya?
Cuz yer premises are religious fundamentalist
bat guano. (IMO) You believe'm. Others don't.
So you lack reasoning that could sway anyone
who doesn't already believe as you do.

 

[Revoltingest]

If person has actually both, and both are functional, then the person can be called a man and a woman.

I'd prefer to call them by their name.

The idea that there are only 2 genders is
just that...an idea. Other cultures see it
differently. It's neither "true" nor useful
to rigidly argue that it must be so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, we can't blame people for that:
Theists attacking with Atom bombs (God)
Should expect natural fallout; their fundies..

Are you having a stroke?

 

[Revoltingest]

Show me where I said:
"I oppose killing?"

Show me where I claimed you said exactly that.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is a matter of percentage. We are a cocktail.

 

[stvdv]

Since I have never once done that, now you're just trying to avoid my arguments. Why?

OMG

So,

Do you really want me to elaborate?

You keep going on with this in this thread I started. I told you many time you misinterpret my words, but like some Theists do, you claim to know better than me what my words/beliefs mean

And you don't give up, though I told you to stop

Enough is enough

BUT I'll do it in a separate thread, you started to publicly belittle me, so I'll publicly answer, if that is what you still want. Let me know, but I need your permission (RF Rule) to use any quote you have used in this thread,

And as a bonus I will explain, very easy to understand, how you actually completely misinterpreted my words where it begun
I can do that in just a few words

So, your name and my name will be known
I might add a poll, where others can vote
@stvdv has made foolish replues here
@ImmortalFlame has made foolish replies here

Your choice
You want me to do this, yes or no?
And thereby granting me permission to use any post you made here

Let me know, and I'll start the new thread

 

[stvdv]

Show me where I claimed you said exactly that.

Okay, playing word games here
I didn't think you would do that
But you got your chance

I guess that means I was right

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So,

Do you really want me to elaborate?

No, I want you to respond to my arguments.

You keep going on with this in this thread I started. I told you many time you misinterpret my words, but like some Theists do, you claim to know better than me what my words/beliefs mean

Not what I have done even once. Respond to my arguments.

you started to publicly belittle me

Also false. You repeatedly questioned my reading comprehension, called me a liar and said I was foolish.

Stop with these desperate histrionics. I explained my argument multiple times. Is the reason you're so desperate to avoid engaging with my argument and keep persisting in these false claims because you can't refute the point I'm making about the logical consequence of your statements, or is it because you genuinely are operating under the misapprehension that asking you specific questions and challenging the logical consequences of your word-for-word statements and logic is the same thing as putting words in your mouth?

Which is it? A or B?

 

[stvdv]

Well, we can't blame people for that:
Theists attacking with Atom bombs (God)
Should expect natural fallout; their fundies..

Are you having a stroke?

Of your fundies?

No

 

[We Never Know]

Normal like left handedness. Normal like being autistic. Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's necessarily abnormal. Afterall, it's normal although very rare for someone to have polydactyly.
It's just a different flavor and variety of a the many we come in.

Really! You are comparing being left handed and autism to being born with male dna, male sex organs and a female brain

 

[We Never Know]

Not that long ago being left-handed was considered to be not just abnormal but a moral flaw

What part of being left handed needed medical and psychological treatment?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Really! You are comparing being left handed and autism to being born with male dna, male sex organs and a female brain

I believe the argument perhaps was that just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't "normal". There are lots of uncommon features of humans that we normalise while understanding that they are less common, such as left-handedness or autism.