To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[ImmortalFlame]

What part of being left handed needed medical and psychological treatment?

The argument is about what we regard as "normal", not what does or doesn't need medical or psychological treatment (although being trans in any form doesn't necessarily require medical and/or psychological treatment, so that's not really anything to do with the issue either).

 

[We Never Know]

I believe the argument perhaps was that just because something isn't common doesn't mean it isn't "normal". There are lots of uncommon features of humans that we normalise while understanding that they are less common, such as left-handedness or autism.

Being left handed doesn't affect a person mentally or physically so no comparison.

Autism is a mental disability. Not normal but more common.

Are your saying transgender is a mental issue?

 

[We Never Know]

The argument is about what we regard as "normal", not what does or doesn't need medical or psychological treatment (although being trans in any form doesn't necessarily require medical and/or psychological treatment, so that's not really anything to do with the issue either).

IMO you are confusing more common with normal.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Being left handed doesn't affect a person mentally or physically so no comparison.

Again, the comparison is about NORMALCY vs COMMONALITY. It doesn't matter if they affect a person mentally or physically.

Autism is a mental disability. Not normal but more common.

Then what does it mean for something to be "normal"? That's the point.

Are your saying transgender is a mental issue?

No, that's very obviously not what they are arguing. I've just explained what I believe their argument was.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

IMO you are confusing more common with normal.

Is it normal to be left-handed?

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, playing word games here

I mocked a disingenuous demand
to find a non-existent quote.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of your fundies?

No

Good.
Word salad can be a symptom.

 

[We Never Know]

Is it normal to be left-handed?

Being left handed doesn't produce any mental, medical or physical issues though its became a little more common.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Being left handed doesn't produce any mental, medical or physical issues though its became a little more common.

Not what I asked, and I have already said repeatedly that whether or not it produces any mental, medical or physical issues is irrelevant. I asked if it was normal.

Is being left-handed normal?

 

[We Never Know]

Not what I asked, and I have already said repeatedly that whether or not it produces any mental, medical or physical issues is irrelevant. I asked if it was normal.

Is being left-handed normal?

Medically yes it is.
Same as high blood pressure is common but not normal.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Medically yes it is.

I've said three times now that I am not asking with regards to medical, psychological or physical impairment. Do you believe it is, broadly speaking, NORMAL to be left-handed or not?

Same as high blood pressure is common but not normal.

In what sense is high blood pressure "not normal"? Can you explain to me what "normal" means in this context?

 

[We Never Know]

I've said three times now that I am not asking with regards to medical, psychological or physical impairment. Do you believe it is, broadly speaking, NORMAL to be left-handed or not?

Already answered.

Being transgender affects one physically, medically and psychologically. Being left handed does not.

In what sense is high blood pressure "not normal"? Can you explain to me what "normal" means in this context?

Use google.for normal medical definition.

 

[Kenny]

Not what I asked, and I have already said repeatedly that whether or not it produces any mental, medical or physical issues is irrelevant. I asked if it was normal.

Is being left-handed normal?

That’s like asking… is it normal for eggs to have different colors when we are talking about what is inside the egg and not what we see on the outside.

An egg is an egg no matter what the color is.

XX is XX and XY is XY no matter what you want to look like on the outside. So we have to find out how we can help those who are having a identity crises.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Already answered.

Being transgender affects one physically, medically and psychologically. Being left handed does not.

How are you not getting this despite the fact that I've explained in three times? It doesn't matter whether it affects you medically or not.

Also, being trans doesn't necessarily affect you physically, mentally or even psychologically any more than being left-handed necessarily does.

Also also, being a woman definitely affects you physically, mentally and psychologically, but you wouldn't argue it's "not normal" to be a woman, right?

Use google.for normal medical definition.

I'm asking you. What do you mean?

 

[Revoltingest]

XX is XX and XY is XY no matter what you want to look like on the outside.

It's not so simple.
From another thread....

It's simple! (to be or not to be revisited)

Not that it will help; homophobes are a resistant lot, but ... I happened upon a "United Humanists's Post" that I believe worthy of reposting: Rebecca Helm, a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina, Asheville US writes: “Friendly neighborhood biologist here...

www.religiousforums.com

Excerpted...

If you know a bit about biology you will probably say that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”? Well...

Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”?

Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean?

A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromsomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY). But biological sex is simple! There must be another answer...

Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specifics areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body. Is this the root of “biological sex”??

“Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Ditto ditto ‘female’ hormones. And...

...if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Well, except cells have something to say about this...

Maybe cells are the answer to “biological sex”?? Right?? Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones. But sometimes those receptors don’t work. Like a mobile phone that’s on “do not disturb’. Call and cell, they will not answer.

What does this all mean?

It means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female.

 

[We Never Know]

How are you not getting this despite the fact that I've explained in three times? It doesn't matter whether it affects you medically or not.

Also, being trans doesn't necessarily affect you physically, mentally or even psychologically any more than being left-handed necessarily does.

Right. Its normal for left handed people to get medical treatment, medical therapy and psychological treatment lol

I'm asking you. What do you mean?

I already answered more than once. You keep trying to compare normal to commom.
So now use google.

 

[We Never Know]

How are you not getting this despite the fact that I've explained in three times? It doesn't matter whether it affects you medically or not.

Also, being trans doesn't necessarily affect you physically, mentally or even psychologically any more than being left-handed necessarily does.

Also also, being a woman definitely affects you physically, mentally and psychologically, but you wouldn't argue it's "not normal" to be a woman, right?


I'm asking you. What do you mean?

Is schizophrenia normal or more common?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Right. Its normal for left handed people to get medical treatment, medical therapy and psychological treatment lol

Are you not reading what I have written four times now?

Women need medical treatment. Are women normal?

I already answered more than once. You keep trying to compare normal to commom.
So now use google.

No, you can tell me. I'm asking what YOU mean. I can't Google your brain. Tell me what you mean.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Is schizophrenia normal or more common?

Gee, that depends how you are defining "normal". Y'know, the thing you keep not doing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right. Its normal for left handed people to get medical treatment, medical therapy and psychological treatment lol

I already answered more than once. You keep trying to compare normal to commom.
So now use google.

What's normal can be an outcome of what's common,
especially when it's a useful trait, eg, high functioning
autism, aka, Silicon Valley Syndrome.

The Silicon Valley Syndrome, Autism and the Tech Industry

Neurodiversity and innovation, unmasking the connection

medium.com