To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[Shadow Wolf]

So this is a no-win situation, and we have to make hard decisions:

Only because you want to insist it is and absolutely refuse to learn how a medical transition actually works, even repeating your garbage sources and claims after you've been shown--again and again--they are wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

trans youth are no more likely to be diagnosed as bipolar than cis youth.

"There has been clear and consistent data showing an increased risk for mood and anxiety disorders in transgender individuals, and there is emerging evidence looking at increased rates of bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and substance use disorders"

Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study - PMC

We performed a cross-sectional analysis of the prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses among transgender patients in clinical care using an all-payer electronic health record database. Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you may misapprehend what is meant by the term autism spectrum.
The spectrum is not a linear continuum indicating the intensity of symptoms or how 'normal' an autistic person is.

There is no 'end' of the spectrum, it can be more accurately understood with visualizations like this:

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The common parlance of describing autism as a spectrum
(with ends) is useful in discussion. Not intended to be a
rigorous treatment of all the complexities.
Did my post fail to convey my point to you?

It's similar to a simplified linear spectrum in politics,
ie, liberal to conservative. It's sometimes useful,
eg, when discussing USA's 2 party system.
Of course, the 2 dimensional Nolan diagram is more
complete, but it can over-complicate things at times.

 

[stvdv]

What this means is that you've been advocating for basically ruining confused kids' lives. And the same goes for understanding math and stats and medicine and the scientific process.

IMO:

Very important to be aware of the above, because guilt feeling I rather avoid

That's why my stance on GD remains:
"I don't suggest GD treatment"

I avoid doing things I regret; I learnt the hard way:
Once I made a promise to my Master, which I could not keep. That guilt feeling nearly 'killed' me. I never promise again, I promised to my self

Guilt feeling for hurting others is much worse

My father dropped his baby, me, from the second floor, I almost died. He still suffers from guilt feeling
Solution is simple "Say sorry, sincerely"

But alas, that he can't, because it means he must first admit he made a huge mistake, that impacted my health for the rest of my life

Your example is a bit similar, though much less intense when given with a healthy dose of humility. If done humble, then I think you need not feel bad

About giving advice that might harm the other:
1) Only if I'm 100% sure it won't harm directly
2) I'll add "this is just my opinion", major key
3) Best check with an expert or double check
4) You know best for you, I know best for me

 

[We Never Know]

4) You know best for you, I know best for me

One of my favorite sayings....

 

[icehorse]

Only because you want to insist it is and absolutely refuse to learn how a medical transition actually works, even repeating your garbage sources and claims after you've been shown--again and again--they are wrong.

Many countries in Europe - with better healthcare systems than the US's - have determined that GAC is flawed, and they are backing away from using it. I think I'm in fine company.

And BTW, I think I have a decent handle on how GAC works. And there is now good evidence (that aligns with common sense), that even social transitioning of young kids is harmful.

Do you agree that minors' cognitive abilities are not fully developed? If so, why do you think that in general they're not fully developed, but on this one, super complex and nuanced topic, they can make permanent decisions about "gender", which is an idea adults can't even explain?

 

[Revoltingest]

He is 3 years old. Just getting to the age where he can correctly be placed on the spectrum instead of assuming where he is.

This says nothing about whether he's disabled,
& to what extent. So what's the relevance?

 

[We Never Know]

This says nothing about whether he's disabled,
& to what extent. So what's the relevance?

Its clear you don't know much about it.

He is 3. Age as very relevant. Just getting in the sorting, color, recognizing spectrum. Still not talking, etc

Uses an audible iPad to point at things such as food, drink, movie, etc.(touches a picture of food that says hungry outloud)

 

[Revoltingest]

Its clear you don't know much about it.

Because you've said so little.
Now I see from the below quote
that you're divulging a little more.

He is 3. Age as very relevant. Just getting in the sorting, color, recognizing spectrum. Still not talking, etc

Uses an audible iPad to point at food for hungry, etc.(touches a picture of food that says hungry outloud)

He sounds more severely affected than is
typical of "on the spectrum" engineers I've known.
If you're arguing that his having a disability because
of autism means that higher functioning people
are also disabled, that argument fails.

 

[stvdv]

I'm done playing word games with you.
Have a good day.

You are the 3rd one in this thread

 

[We Never Know]

Because you've said so little.
Now I see from the below quote
that you're divulging a little more.

He sounds more severely affected than is
typical of "on the spectrum" engineers I've known.
If you're arguing that his having a disability because
of autism means that higher functioning people
are also disabled, that argument fails.

Sure they can be highly intelligent in ways but are low in common sense, lacking the ability to understand many things. Repetitiveness, patterns and order behavior greatly impact their lives. Mood behavior as well. Sometimes I am his best friend, other time he won't even set with me.

 

[icehorse]

Uh huh. He says, proving sources from explicitly anti-trans websites.

For those of your reading along this thread, I want you to notice how completely unwilling Mr Horse is to answer a basic challenge regarding his sources, and why all of his supposedly rational, science based arguments are based on right-wing talking points and Google searches for anti-trans websites.

One more time...

I have over the last months provided sources many times. For those reading along, I will re-provide the Cass report.

I'm sure mr. flame, that you've at least skimmed thru the Cass report? Let me focus you on pages 46-64. What do you make of them?

 

[stvdv]

Whew. reading through all this makes me so thankful that everything matches up on me.

Which is very common!

I never thought that "very common" was going to be just fine with me

 

[We Never Know]

One more time...

I have over the last months provided sources many times. For those reading along, I will re-provide the Cass report.

I'm sure mr. flame, that you've at least skimmed thru the Cass report? Let me focus you on pages 46-64. What do you make of them?

Try this one from 2022.

"Puberty blockers and sex hormones do not have U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for children’s gender care. No clinical trials have established their safety for such off-label use. The drugs’ long-term effects on fertility and sexual function remain unclear. And in 2016, the FDA ordered makers of puberty blockers to add a warning about psychiatric problems to the drugs’ label after the agency received several reports of suicidal thoughts in children who were taking them.

More broadly, no large-scale studies have tracked people who received gender-related medical care as children to determine how many remained satisfied with their treatment as they aged and how many eventually regretted transitioning. The same lack of clarity holds true for the contentious issue of detransitioning, when a patient stops or reverses the transition process.

The National Institutes of Health, the U.S. government agency responsible for medical and public health research, told Reuters that “the evidence is limited on whether these treatments pose short- or long-term health risks for transgender and other gender-diverse adolescents.” The NIH has funded a comprehensive study to examine mental health and other outcomes for about 400 transgender youths treated at four U.S. children’s hospitals. However, long-term results are years away and may not address concerns such as fertility or cognitive development."

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/#:~:text=Puberty%20blockers%20and%20sex%20hormones,and%20sexual%20function%20remain%20unclear.

 

[stvdv]

You imply.
I infer

Finally we agree:
You imply
I infer

 

[stvdv]

He had vitiligo so it's not a good comparison.

I was not thinking about vitiligo

Therapists actually do explore for things like this. And there has.been no research to suggest being trans is caused by trauma.

As far as you know

Do you even know the root cause? I

Yes

have my doubts

I know

 

[Revoltingest]

Finally we agree:
You imply
I infer

Close enuf.

 

[stvdv]

Try this one from 2022.

"Puberty blockers and sex hormones do not have U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for children’s gender care. No clinical trials have established their safety for such off-label use. The drugs’ long-term effects on fertility and sexual function remain unclear. And in 2016, the FDA ordered makers of puberty blockers to add a warning about psychiatric problems to the drugs’ label after the agency received several reports of suicidal thoughts in children who were taking them.

More broadly, no large-scale studies have tracked people who received gender-related medical care as children to determine how many remained satisfied with their treatment as they aged and how many eventually regretted transitioning. The same lack of clarity holds true for the contentious issue of detransitioning, when a patient stops or reverses the transition process.

The National Institutes of Health, the U.S. government agency responsible for medical and public health research, told Reuters that “the evidence is limited on whether these treatments pose short- or long-term health risks for transgender and other gender-diverse adolescents.” The NIH has funded a comprehensive study to examine mental health and other outcomes for about 400 transgender youths treated at four U.S. children’s hospitals. However, long-term results are years away and may not address concerns such as fertility or cognitive development."

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/#:~:text=Puberty%20blockers%20and%20sex%20hormones,and%20sexual%20function%20remain%20unclear.

Thank you for sharing

I am not surprised to read this
This was my suspicion all along
But good to see this black on white

 

[stvdv]

"There has been clear and consistent data showing an increased risk for mood and anxiety disorders in transgender individuals, and there is emerging evidence looking at increased rates of bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and substance use disorders"

Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study - PMC

We performed a cross-sectional analysis of the prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses among transgender patients in clinical care using an all-payer electronic health record database. Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks again for
Providing usefull information

 

[We Never Know]

Thanks again for
Providing usefull information

Some here will try to claim transgender female brains are more similar to cisfemale brains, which is false. Its more or less in-between with diffetences but closer to cismen.

From 2022..

"The classifier performed at 90.2% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in the training sample and at 88.3% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in our 48 cisgender brains. These measures indicate a suitable classification performance and a reliable distinction between the sexes based on brain anatomy.

The estimated Brain Sex index was significantly different between the three groups (F(2,69) = 40.07, p < 0.001), with a mean of 1.00 ± 0.41 in cisgender men and of 0.00 ± 0.41 in cisgender women. The Brain Sex of transgender women was estimated as 0.75 ± 0.39, thus hovering between cisgender men and cisgender women, albeit closer to cisgender men (see also Figure 1). The follow-up post hoc tests revealed that transgender women were significantly more female than cisgender men (Cohen’s d = 0.64, t(46) = 2.20, p = 0.016), but significantly less female than cisgender women (Cohen’s d = 1.87, t(46) = 6.48, p < 0.001)."

Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity - PMC

Transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and a strong identification with the opposite sex. The current study was designed to shed further light on the question of whether the brains of transgender people resemble their birth sex or ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov