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To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Sadly, Gender Dysphoria is just one out of 200+ mental disorders. Which means that those other 99% probably fit in one of the other disorders

Which means that we all might find some kind of disorder, when we dare to honestly look at ourselves
I have looked honestly at myself and I have no disorders but you do you. Meanwhile, gender dysphoria only accounts for under 1 percent of disorders, thankfully. I won't repost the link.
I never thought that "very common" was going to be just fine with me
Oh I have found the beauty in commonality and even mild boredom!
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Lol facts are facts. Google is your friend.
in statistics when a data point or value significantly deviates from the typical pattern or central tendency of a dataset it is considered statistically uncommon or rare, often identified as an outlier. There no dividing line between "normal" and "abnormal" Your numbers are meaningless, or put another way "90% of statistics are made up on the spot"
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
This is a common claim but not one supported by evidence
Apologists for GAC (such as yourself), often attempt to shift the burden of proof on to the critics. That's not how science works.

Extraordinary claims (like the ones GAC rely on), require extraordinary evidence.

So where's YOUR evidence that GAC improves the mental health outcomes of those people who suffer from GD?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
in statistics when a data point or value significantly deviates from the typical pattern or central tendency of a dataset it is considered statistically uncommon or rare, often identified as an outlier. There no dividing line between "normal" and "abnormal" Your numbers are meaningless, or put another way "90% of statistics are made up on the spot"
You're the expert, it seems you are the expert on everything... especially at telling people they are wrong lol.
Cheers
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Apologists for GAC (such as yourself),
IT doesn't need apologists.
often attempt to shift the burden of proof on to the critics. That's not how science works.
Actually when you make the claim that almost all kids identified as trans "outgrow" this by the time they reach adult hood you re making a claim and the burden of proof falls on you.
he principle of onus probandi, which comes from the Latin maxim Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat, meaning "The burden of proof lies on the one who declares, not on one who denies".
Extraordinary claims (like the ones GAC rely on), require extraordinary evidence.
what extraordinary claims?
So where's YOUR evidence that GAC improves the mental health outcomes of those people who suffer from GD?
you asked for it.
DO I think for one second you will be honest enough to look at it? Nope, You will dismiss it out of hand


Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care Diana M. Tordoff, 2022
receipt of gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones, was associated with 60% lower odds of moderate or severe depression and 73% lower odds of suicidality

Gender-affirming Care for Transgender Patients Nita Bhatt 2022
Transgender patients experience disproportionate disparities in mental health, physical health, homelessness, and violence. These disparities are not inevitable, however. Gender-affirming care has consistently been shown to improve quality of life, improve health outcomes, and reduce rates of SI and SAs.

Experiences of transgender and non-binary youth accessing gender-affirming care: A systematic review and meta-ethnography Seán Kearns 2021 Patient focused gender affirming care shows improved outcomes in life satisfaction and social adjustment

Impact of gender-affirming care bans on transgender and gender diverse youth: Parental figures’ perspective. Abreu, Roberto L 2024 analysis revealed five themes regarding the impact that these antitransgender laws and bills have on TGD youth, including (a) depression and suicidal ideation/risk of suicide, (b) anxiety, (c) increased gender dysphoria, (d) decreased safety and increased stigma, and (e) lack of access to medical care.

“It's kind of hard to go to the doctor's office if you're hated there.” A call for gender‐affirming care from transgender and gender diverse adolescents in the United States ME Eisenberg, 2020. Lack of Gender affirming care produces poor results in life adjustment and mental health assessments

Intersectionality research for transgender healthWesp LM, Malcoe LH, Elliott A, Poteat T. 2019

Mental Health and Timing of Gender-Affirming Care Julia C. Sorbara2020
Initiating gender affirming care late in adolescence or in adulthood are associated with worse mental health outcomes among GI youth

Factors associated with suicide attempts among Australian transgender adults. Zwickl S, Wong AFQ, Dowers E et al. 2021

Trans-affirming care: an integrative review and concept analysis. Lightfoot S, Kia H, Vincent A et al. 2021

Mental health of transgender and gender nonconforming youth compared with their peers. Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R et al. 2021

Gender-affirming care in the midwest: reaching rural populations. Poquiz J, Moser CN, Grimstad F et al. 2021

Gender-Affirming Care of Transgender and Gender-Diverse Youth: Current Concepts Janet Y. Lee 2023
Numerous studies demonstrate the clearly beneficial—even lifesaving—mental health impact of gender-affirming medical care in TGD youth.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
The idea that there are only 2 genders is
just that...an idea....
The reason why I like the idea is, it is logical and reasonable. But, obviously this depends on what meaning we give to the word "gender". If there is more than 2 genders, I think the word gender has no reasonable use or meaning.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
The reason why I like the idea is, it is logical and reasonable. But, obviously this depends on what meaning we give to the word "gender". If there is more than 2 genders, I think the word gender has no reasonable use or meaning.
there is no logical reason to limit it to just two.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Actually when you make the claim that almost all kids identified as trans "outgrow" this by the time they reach adult hood you re making a claim and the burden of proof falls on you.
he principle of onus probandi, which comes from the Latin maxim Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat, meaning "The burden of proof lies on the one who declares, not on one who denies".
I have thousands of years of evidence to back up my assertion. We haven't even tiptoed into the social contagion aspect of this situation yet, but ultimately the apologists have to answer the question: why do we see such a huge surge in GD and only in certain areas and mostly with adolescent girls...

So no, the apologists have to provide extraordinarily good evidence that the best way to help confused kids with GD in this social media rich world, is thru drugs and sometimes surgeries. THAT is an extraordinary claim. And I await your best studies...

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As for the studies you linked to - do you understand the idea of meta-studies? We all have to rely on them, not a cherry picked handful.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I have thousands of years of evidence to back up my assertion.
That's absurd. If you were going by thousands of years you'd see people we'd call trans and you'd know there absolutely nothing new about trans care. But all you keep giving is the same debunked rubbish.
 
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