To Be Superior or Not To Be Superior

[stvdv]

I exchanged thoughts with @Samael_Khan

The topic was:
"why does Christianity gets so much hate?"

One fact was clear:
Many Christians believe "our Religion is Superior"
(This might have its root in John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me")

History has taught us over again:
"Superiority Complex leads to anger, hate"
1) Hitler's "Jews are inferior", he felt superior
2) The well known "Arian race is superior"
3) The well known "White supremacy"

We were both wondering:
"Why do Christians follow Christian Supremacy"
And this doesn't apply to Christianity alone
"Why do followers follow Any Supremacy"
What is the root cause of Supremacy you think

Some additional thoughts that come to mind:
* Religious Supremacy: Do you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Christian Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* White Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Discrimination: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Is Supremacy a form of Discrimination?
* Is Discrimination a form of Supremacy?
* Does it make sense "Jesus is a Supremacist"?
* Might Jesus' verse be mass misinterpreted?
* Bottom line "is Supremacy a desirable thing"?

I am really curious what other RF'ers think about this. So many times I see Supremacy raise it's head on RF. The above questions are just to get it all started. Any ideas of your own are very welcome of course. Communication and mutual respect usually helps to achieve Peace

 

[Samael_Khan]

I exchanged thoughts with @Samael_Khan

The topic was:
"why does Christianity gets so much hate?"

One fact was clear:
Many Christians believe "our Religion is Superior"
(This might have its root in John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me")

History has taught us over again:
"Superiority Complex leads to anger, hate"
1) Hitler's "Jews are inferior", he felt superior
2) The well known "Arian race is superior"
3) The well known "White supremacy"

We were both wondering:
"Why do Christians follow Christian Supremacy"
And this doesn't apply to Christianity alone
"Why do followers follow Any Supremacy"
What is the root cause of Supremacy you think

Some additional thoughts that come to mind:
* Religious Supremacy: Do you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Christian Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* White Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Discrimination: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Is Supremacy a form of Discrimination?
* Is Discrimination a form of Supremacy?
* Does it make sense "Jesus is a Supremacist"?
* Might Jesus' verse be mass misinterpreted?
* Bottom line "is Supremacy a desirable thing"?

I am really curious what other RF'ers think about this. So many times I see Supremacy raise it's head on RF. Don't hold back here. Let your yes be yes. The above questions are just to get it all started. Any ideas of your own are very welcome of course. Communication and mutual respect usually helps to achieve Peace

I think supremacy is apart of human nature, in the sense that our ego naturally wants to feel special. The idea of being the Creator's chosen is then all too appealing to near everyone. And people use this to feel better than others and manipulate others to get what they want.

Bottom line IMO is that supremacy is FAAAAAR from a desirable thing.

 

[Heyo]

I exchanged thoughts with @Samael_Khan

The topic was:
"why does Christianity gets so much hate?"

Good question. Better question: "Why do Christians hate so much?"

 

[Samael_Khan]

Good question. Better question: "Why do Christians hate so much?"

Because to be a Chosen people is to be a supremacist.

 

[stvdv]

I think supremacy is apart of human nature, in the sense that our ego naturally wants to feel special.

Very accurate. Supremacy is not human nature, but indeed it's due to a "Supremacist mind", indeed also not on my "to achieve list"

The idea of being the Creator's chosen is then all too appealing to near everyone. And people use this to feel better than others and manipulate others to get what they want.

Bottom line IMO is that supremacy is FAAAAAR from a desirable thing.

Age 10 I told my mother "it's wrong to say Jesus is the only way". What about the people who don't know Jesus, or those born before Jesus?
God would be unfair and not loving, so Jesus can't be the only way"

 

[stvdv]

I exchanged thoughts with @Samael_Khan

The topic was:
"why does Christianity gets so much hate?"

Good question.

I thought so too

Better question: "Why do Christians hate so much?"

First they should realize it's their own creation "people hating them". Take accountability for what happens.

Then indeed some deep introspection is needed to solve their own issues

 

[osgart]

I see Christianity as a blind and false religion.
When Christians are a minority, I believe they try to spread their truth. To me when they are a majority they oppress. In my view it threatens eternal hell based on beliefs, and convictions that don't match what it is.

It's my conviction that it is a nuisance, and a cancer. I definitely would help people escape it's bonds.

It is my conviction that it ignores and flies in the face of reality. It, to me, is a terrible fantasy of wishful thinking.


Besides that i see truth as in accordance with virtues, and opposed to vices. Truth, in my view, is all inclusive as people deserve in principle. Truth, for me, is simple, not loaded with doctrines of conditions.

I feel if there ever was a God it would be supremely virtuous and raise us up to be equals thus negating such supremacy. Supremacy is boring I'd imagine.

This existence doesn't reflect any God in my humble conviction.

The universe is not a creation of handiwork; which in my eyes is obvious. Whatever the eternal source is, it is not knowable by observation, and its certainly not omnipotent in my view.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not all Christians are equal.

There are Christians who believe that Christianity is not necessary to be saved.

All that matters is being good. But that's the problem.

 

[osgart]

Not all Christians are equal.

There are Christians who believe that Christianity is not necessary to be saved.

All that matters is being good. But that's the problem.

It's the religion itself I'm opposed to. The people I take on an individual basis. I actually find ways of getting along with fundamentalist Christians. Some I know are family.

 

[stvdv]

I see Christianity as a blind and false religion.
When Christians are a minority, I believe they try to spread their truth. To me when they are a majority they oppress. In my view it threatens eternal hell based on beliefs, and convictions that don't match what it is.

It's my conviction that it is a nuisance, and a cancer. I definitely would help people escape it's bonds.

It is my conviction that it ignores and flies in the face of reality. It, to me, is a terrible fantasy of wishful thinking.


Besides that i see truth as in accordance with virtues, and opposed to vices. Truth, in my view, is all inclusive as people deserve in principle. Truth, for me, is simple, not loaded with doctrines of conditions.

I feel if there ever was a God it would be supremely virtuous and raise us up to be equals thus negating such supremacy. Supremacy is boring I'd imagine.

This existence doesn't reflect any God in my humble conviction.

The universe is not a creation of handiwork; which in my eyes is obvious. Whatever the eternal source is, it is not knowable by observation,

Thank you for sharing your views
I agree with all. I like your:
"Virtuous Supremacy"

 

[Jimmy]

Good question. Better question: "Why do Christians hate so much?"

It is because they think abortion and being gay are wrong. I wouldn’t call this hatred or being judgmental. I would call it as being perceived by other people as being judgmental.

Very accurate. Supremacy is not human nature, but indeed it's due to a "Supremacist mind", indeed also not on my "to achieve list"

Age 10 I told my mother "it's wrong to say Jesus is the only way". What about the people who don't know Jesus, or those born before Jesus?
God would be unfair and not loving, so Jesus can't be the only way"

”Jesus” loves them too

 

[stvdv]

Whatever the eternal source is, it is not knowable by observation, and

I agree

its certainly not omnipotent in my view.

I am intrigued
How do you define omnipotent?

And how you come to your conclusion that the eternal source is not omnipotent? Especially considering that "it's not knowable by observation"?

I myself have no clue, yet, about the "eternal source", and I have not been able to define it yet

 

[stvdv]

Not all Christians are equal.

Reminds me of Animal farm
"All animals are equal
But pigs are more equal"

I believe all humans are "equal"

 

[Estro Felino]

Reminds me of Animal farm
"All animals are equal
But pigs are more equal"

I believe all humans are "equal"

I meant....Christians are not a monolith.

 

[stvdv]

It is because they think abortion and being gay are wrong. I wouldn’t call this hatred or being judgmental. I would call it as being perceived by other people as being judgmental.

”Jesus” loves them too

True

And

Unconditional

 

[blü 2]

* Religious Supremacy: Do you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Christian Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* White Supremacy: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Discrimination: you think it's good, bad or ..?
* Is Supremacy a form of Discrimination?
* Is Discrimination a form of Supremacy?
* Does it make sense "Jesus is a Supremacist"?
* Might Jesus' verse be mass misinterpreted?
* Bottom line "is Supremacy a desirable thing"?

I am really curious what other RF'ers think about this. So many times I see Supremacy raise it's head on RF. The above questions are just to get it all started. Any ideas of your own are very welcome of course. Communication and mutual respect usually helps to achieve Peace

For me, truth is a quality of statements and a statement is true to the extent that it corresponds with / accurately reflects the world external to the self. And I'm for truth.

Since science proceeds by empiricism and induction, I'm likewise for science.

But I think the important thing for us humans is to treat each other with decency, respect, inclusion and common sense, and you can do that whether you hold supernatural beliefs or not.

So I only argue with believers about supernatural beliefs on the debate boards at RF, where everyone's a volunteer and up for an argument.

 

[stvdv]

I meant....Christians are not a monolith.

Well, their belief "Jesus is the only way for all" is quite monolith. Probably more than 90%; my own experience is ca. 99,9%, sometimes they don't like to admit, but after pushing buttons the truth emerges what they truly believe

 

[Heyo]

It is because they think abortion and being gay are wrong. I wouldn’t call this hatred or being judgmental. I would call it as being perceived by other people as being judgmental.

It's not only that they see it as being wrong, they try (and sometimes succeed) to legislate their beliefs. And some are really open about their hate.
Of course, it's not all Christians. There is so little that all Christians have in common that the classification is basically meaningless.

 

[osgart]

I agree

I am intrigued
How do you define omnipotent?

It means that there are no limits to what can be done everywhere in existence.

And how you come to your conclusion that the eternal source is not omnipotent? Especially considering that "it's not knowable by observation"?

Whatever the eternal source is we would have come in contact with however it acts on existence if it were omnipotent.

I myself have no clue, yet, about the "eternal source", and I have not been able to define it yet

Whatever brought life into existence be it matter/energy or intelligence of some kind is apart of the eternal source. I think there is way more to reality than what can be observed, and way less than what a God would be able to do.

 

[Jimmy]

It's not only that they see it as being wrong, they try (and sometimes succeed) to legislate their beliefs. And some are really open about their hate.
Of course, it's not all Christians. There is so little that all Christians have in common that the classification is basically meaningless.

people often have ideas about right and wrong and humans are involved in politics so there’s really no way around that. Most Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead and will return to judge the Earth and then establish a new earth.