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To kill or not to kill
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Circle_One
Well-Known Member
That's where you've misunderstood me, Michel, I could care less about any of my possessions. I would stay and fight merely on principle. My home is supposed to be a safe haven for my son and myself. For someone to come into my home and take away that feeling of safety, take away my son's feeling of comfort in his own home, that would be reason enough for me to kill them; threatening my son's and my own safety (or feeling of, even if they weren't intent on doing harm). As I said, I refuse to be afraid of someone else in my own home, and I refuse to let my son be afraid in his own home. It's the simple principle of it all that would cause me to take confrontational action, rather than fleeing.michel said:
Darkdale
World Leader Pretend
Circle_One said:
That's the way I see it. Just like almost every other animal in the world, if you come into my home uninvited your a dead man. And I don't have guns. I've got some spiked clubs, some broad swords and some purty knives. Which means, chances are the beating they'll receive will be utterly unpleasant. However, if the person is carrying a gun, I will call upon the police to deal with them. I'm rather quick, but bullets tend to be quicker.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I'm not sure. I actually have a loaded gun beside my bed. As far as I am concerned, if someone breaks into my home, they are threatening my life, and that is a good enough reason to shoot them.jgallandt said:
Ori
Angel slayer
It would be unlikely for anyone to break into my home, as i'm situated on a main road.
But if someone did, I would almost pity them, my two brothers are both bigger then me ( one of them knows krav maga ), and I have a medium sized dog.
I hate violence, but if you threaten my family, you are dead.
But if someone did, I would almost pity them, my two brothers are both bigger then me ( one of them knows krav maga ), and I have a medium sized dog.
I hate violence, but if you threaten my family, you are dead.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Which is actually a legal quandry. Federal Agents make a point of violent entry swithout announcement. This means that if you see someone come in the house with a gun and SHOOT the intruder BEFORE they have identified themselves - legally its a pass. However, the actual effect is that the hail of gunfire in return will probably kill the home owner.gnomon said:
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Scott
Faint
Well-Known Member
I believe in California too.jgallandt said:
And in this state, you can have a loaded gun in your home, but you can only legally shoot someone if you think your life is in danger and you have no way of escape. I own a .45 and thus would have no problem shooting off the burglar's knees (preferably not on the carpet).
So in this scenario, I wouldn't run but would rather maim him to 1) show him he broke into the wrong house, 2) make him reconsider his career, 3) make myself feel better, 4) have a good story to tell at the next party I go to, 5) keep my stuff safe since I've worked many hours to afford what I own. Then I'd probably beat him unconscious.
Here's a fun story about this sort of thing: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/5569327/detail.html?rss=nn5&psp=nationalnews
No, I did understand you (I guess I explained myself badly) what I meant was that my 'logical' self would say 'run' , but my emotional self might well want to fight. But, overall, I think the 'fight' is wrong.Circle_One said:
I admire you for your principles, but I don't see myself adopding them (unless my temper gets the better of me
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robtex
Veteran Member
Great point. It is important to understand that the police are not employed to protect you. They have no legal obligation to protect you and certainly don't have the facilities nor the manpower to do so. You and you alone are many times the sole guardian of your own safety.jgallandt said:
Most of the time officers respond to the crime after the fact though when they do happen upon a crime in progress they overwhelmingly tend to intervene on behalf of the victim.
In addition most officers (with the exception of swat) recieve no special training in hand-to-hand tatics other than a mandatory class they take one day each year. I have been privy to a number of their hand-to-hand classes due to my martial arts and can tell you they don't know much more and sometimes anymore than any other average joe on the street. They do have guns and pepper spray and asps but not any special hand-to-hand skills.
For the people reading this thread I would recommend buying pepper spray and adopting an attitude of "you are responsible for your own safety" as opposed to "the cops will protect me" attitude. You should still use 911 and their service but don't become dependant on it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Say..."OH S***! AHH F****!" Then I would throw the body in a tree limb grinder, that way nothing is identifiable, and then burn the remains, to destroy DNA. But a cop can't just break in. They have to have a reason, and if it is for no apparent reason, they better flash the badge quick.
robtex
Veteran Member
In repsonse to this response I would tell you that the chance of a federal or local law enforcement officer entering your home unanounced in conjuntion with his civil duties is pretty much nil.Luke Wolf said:
For starters they have to have a warrent or see a crime in progress to enter at all. Secondly, when executing a warrent they go in pairs or more and it is usually an organized raid as opposed to "popping in" on someone. It is not like they are passing the crack house on the corner and think..hey today seems like a good day to....
They also knock and announce police or warrent unless it is a "high risk warrent' which means a person with a history of violence or drug trafficing.
However, if on the small chance they do somehow not announce and enter my understanding is by law you have the right to self-defense until such time they identify themselves. I had a friend who was in a garage band. She was performing one night and plain-clothed officers came on stage to "break up the noise" of the outdoor concert. She turned thinking she was being accosted because the officer grabbed before announcing himself, and smashed the electric guitar across the officer's face breaking his jaw.
The officer, who was not in the arrest after being downed, pressed charges but they were thrown out of court because he failed to identify himself before grabbing her. In theory (as opposed to practice) an officer is not permitted to make an arrest without announcing his position as a law enforcement officer. However he is not obligated to tell you what you are being charged with, arrest for or why you are being arrested at all. They do have to inform you in 24 hours I believe.
Because of the checks and balances, and potential for harmful civil suits I think you are really going to be hardpressed to find instances in the news where officers enter your home unannounced.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
My son is one of those people that breaks into people's houses to support his crystal meth habit. He can go months without falling back. He's out on bail right now, been clean for a few months, but last week 'disappeared' which tells me he's back doing meth. I'm afraid one of these days he's going to end up shot dead. He usually breaks into homes when people are gone, but has 'mis-calculated' b4.
I'd let the dogs handle it.... since the noise I heard would have been the sounds of them doing just that.jgallandt said:
I would then clean up the mess after the cops left
Actually, anyone who is stupid enough to break in after hearing the ruckus three big dogs can make before he even gets in probably deserves whatever they could potentially do to him.