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themadhair
Well-Known Member
And there is the long predicted equivocation folks, brought to you by the disingenuous use of the word faith.
The fact that this was pointed out to you several steps before you got to your conclusion, and that you still announced the predicted conclusion ignoring this glaring problem, is more than a little disappointing for those committed to intellectual honesty and truthful debate. Do you not see how disappointing such an argument is to others who have to sit by and watch while you slowly, painfully and excruciatingly try to hammer this fallacy into the discussion????
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Turning to the atheist for justification could be an act of desperation since there is no justification for believing things for which there is no evidence. It's reasonable to dismiss without evidence that which is presented without evidence, believers and non believers do this all the time, except for believers when it comes to their religious beliefs. That's when they make the exception to be reasonable.
themadhair
Well-Known Member
"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
rageoftyrael
Veritas
why theists are so desperate to make us out to be like them is beyond me. i do not believe in things without evidence. If you can't tell the difference between not believing in something, because there is no evidence, and believing in something without evidence, you are a fool.
DarkSun
:eltiT
DarkSun
:eltiT
Yes you do. You believe that there is no God. Or in your words, you don't believe there is a God (which is essentially the same thing, but anyway). And there is no evidence for that. Therefore, you do believe (or don't believe - same thing) something without proof.
If you want to prove that you are different, then feel free to present the evidence.
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DarkSun
:eltiT
Okay. Would you assert that there is no God? If so, please present the evidence. Otherwise, I shall dismiss your statement without evidence.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Non-belief is not a belief and lack of evidence against God does nothing to improve the possibility that there is a God.Are Nihlists believing in something because they believe in nothing? No.
Non-theism is not the polar opposite of theism, it is the absence of theism and the abscence of belief. Just because there is no evidence for God doesn't make it a belief. Go back 20 years, if there was no evidence for anti-matter does that mean we only believed matter existed? No.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Are Nihlists believing in something because they believe in nothing? No.
Non-theism is not the polar opposite of theism, it is the absence of theism and the abscence of belief. Just because there is no evidence for God doesn't make it a belief. Go back 20 years, if there was no evidence for anti-matter does that mean we only believed matter existed? No.
Belief in nothing is still a belief.
Commoner
Headache
Belief in nothing is still a belief.
Bald is a hair color.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Since God is indistinguishable from nothing, you might have a point.Belief in nothing is still a belief.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Poor analogy. A belief is any cognitive view held as true by an individual, so by definition, the view that there is no God, or that there is no meaning in the world - are beliefs in themselves.
Is it just me, or are atheists arguing for their views just as passionately as any theist would? It's kind of ironic. Especially in a hopeless argument.
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dogsgod
Well-Known Member
Yes, it is, and not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
And riding ponies is fun.
.....Wait....what are we doing?
.....Wait....what are we doing?
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
hell yeah!!!
DarkSun
:eltiT
Life Cycle
By Bruce Dawe.
When children are born in Victoria
they are wrapped in club-colours, laid in beribboned cots,
having already begaun a lifetime's barracking.
Carn, they cry, Carn feebly at first
while paretns playfully tussle with them
for possession of a rusk: Ah, he's a little Tiger! (And they are )
Hoisted shoulder-high at their first League game
they are like innocent monsters who have been years swimming
towards the daylight's roaring empyream
Until, now, hearts shrapnelled with rapture,
they break surface and are forever lost,
their minds rippling out like streamers
In the pure flood of sound, they are scarfed with light, a voice
like the voice of God booms from the stands
Ooohh you bludger and the covenant is sealed.
Hot pies and potato-crisps they will eat,
they will forswear the Demons, cling to the Saints
and behold their team going up the ladder into Heaven,
And the tides of life will be the tides of the home-team's fortunes
- the reckless proposal after the one-point win,
the wedding and honeymoon after the grand-final
They will not grow old as those from the more northern States grow old,
for them it will always be three-quarter-time
with the scores level and the wind advantage in the final term,
That pattern persisting, like a race-memory, through the welter of seasons,
enabling old-timers by boundary fences to dream of resurgent lions
and centaur-figures from the past to replenish continually the present,
So that mythology may be perpetually renewed
and Chicken Smallhorn return like the maize-god
in a thousand shapes, the dancers changing
But the dance forever the same - the elderly still
loyally crying Carn Carn (if feebly) unto the very end,
having seen in the six-foot recruit from Eaglehawk their hope of salvation