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To theists, how do view an afterlife in comparison to this life?
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Angel1
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I hate to be the one to tell you. But the New Teachings in this New Age suggest that this life is really merely a preparation for the greater and true life in the Spirit World. Here we undergo schooling and training. Everything truly is a test of our comprehension and learning so far.
But don't take our word for it. Research more. The conditions of life after Earth are slowly being revealed to all. We now have more mediums, clairvoyants, astral travelers and telepaths that are able to communicate with the residents of the Afterworlds and bring back information to guide us. It is not any different from having a friend in Siberia or some unknown place to talk about his life there. But let us not be gullible. We should analyze, test and question every proposition.
Still, the more we study and search, the more we will find. And finding, we will come to understand more.
You might want to visit -- http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/index.html.
There really is no "after"life because you're always alive, just experiencing different planes of existence. Life is just an eternal journey that takes us through a multitude of incarnations into "physical" forms where we gather knowledge through experience and eventually we can decide to follow a path of spiritual evolution where the soul reaches the apex of its development in deification where we become full-fledged self-created multidimensional beings not bound to any specific form or plane of reality. To put it one way, we all have the choice to become Neos or Herculeses or Lucifers by undertaking the archetypal journey of the Hero.
No proof generally accepted by scientists to be sure. But there are many cases of children who have remembered past lives. And there are some who have had birthmarks who related those to events in a past life. Look at this web site from the University of Virginia Division of Perceptual Studies for such evidence The Division of Perceptual Studies — School of Medicine at the University of Virginia
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
Well, first one must die...
Heard a most interesting, yet very simplistic view of this topic tonight...from someone else. She basically said that there is no proof of a god, I don't believe in heaven or hell, and if there's nothing more after this life, so be it. I'll just be gone, then.
But our 'energy' must go somewhere, after we expire...the Great Unknown...and our obsession with it. Atheist or theist...we are all seemingly obsessed, to various degrees...with the Great Unknown.
But our 'energy' must go somewhere, after we expire...the Great Unknown...and our obsession with it. Atheist or theist...we are all seemingly obsessed, to various degrees...with the Great Unknown.
Domenic
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Heard a most interesting, yet very simplistic view of this topic tonight...from someone else. She basically said that there is no proof of a god, I don't believe in heaven or hell, and if there's nothing more after this life, so be it. I'll just be gone, then.
But our 'energy' must go somewhere, after we expire...the Great Unknown...and our obsession with it. Atheist or theist...we are all seemingly obsessed, to various degrees...with the Great Unknown.
The word Hell comes from the word HADES, which means: "The common Grave of Mankind.." The scriptures say there is no thought in the grave. Jesus said he would bring all back to life on a new earth. Those who died at Gods had will not be brought back. The human family will be under the ruler ship of our Lord Jesus. Man will have 1,000 years to build a correct heart condition. At the end of the 1,000 years there will still be many against God. These will attack Gods people, and at that time God will destroy them (the lake of fire) for ever. They will just be no more. True energy never dies. The whole universe is made of the same material. At death all things go back to dust. There is no human thought in dust.
None will be able to say, "God did not give this one, or that one a chance to change."
Can the Bible be proven? Yes. Will all believe the proof? No. Are religions from God? No, they are a tool of Satan to mislead people.
Anyone can chime in, sure
In that case... muahahahah!
It doesn't seem uncommon that many assume that if one is a theist one also has a conception of an afterlife. This is not necessarily the case, and I'm one of those theists who rejects the idea of an afterlife. Or rather, my idea of it is unconventional enough that calling it an "afterlife" is a misnomer. I see existence and reality - "life" if one prefers - as a continuity of changes and transformations. There is nothing "after" life that is particularly special and distinct. There's just more life, more existence, more reality. All reality depends on cycles of change and transformation; of something being "destroyed" for something else to be "created." How the persistence of intangible and the otherworldly aspects of reality play into all this gets... complicated. They do not follow the rule of transformation - that creation/destruction must occur in tandem. Time doesn't have meaning in the otherworlds as it does here, at least with respect to how humans can experience the otherworlds. Effectively, it all exists at once, and there is no "before" and "after." The you of ten years ago exists right now in the otherworlds alongside the you of ten years from now. As I said, it gets... complicated.
Domenic
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In that case... muahahahah!
It doesn't seem uncommon that many assume that if one is a theist one also has a conception of an afterlife. This is not necessarily the case, and I'm one of those theists who rejects the idea of an afterlife. Or rather, my idea of it is unconventional enough that calling it an "afterlife" is a misnomer. I see existence and reality - "life" if one prefers - as a continuity of changes and transformations. There is nothing "after" life that is particularly special and distinct. There's just more life, more existence, more reality. All reality depends on cycles of change and transformation; of something being "destroyed" for something else to be "created." How the persistence of intangible and the otherworldly aspects of reality play into all this gets... complicated. They do not follow the rule of transformation - that creation/destruction must occur in tandem. Time doesn't have meaning in the otherworlds as it does here, at least with respect to how humans can experience the otherworlds. Effectively, it all exists at once, and there is no "before" and "after." The you of ten years ago exists right now in the otherworlds alongside the you of ten years from now. As I said, it gets... complicated.
What do you have to back up your theory?
*confused blink* Why do you ask and which parts? I'm patently uninterested in getting into debates about proofs to convince other people of my ideology (yes, ideology - this is not a theory by any stretch of the imagination), if that's where this is going.
Please don't present Christian ideas as being representative of all "Abrahamic" religions.
In Judaism, our ideas vary widely and range from a physical resurrection here on earth to gilgul neshamot, or "the cycle of souls".
My personal view tends to lean towards the latter.
Domenic
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A theory is something unproven.
That would be a hypothesis, not a theory. Sorry, I'm a scientist by training. I use the word theory as it is used in sciences. And by that usage, my ideology is definitely not a theory. I wouldn't really call it a hypothesis either, though. It's just an ideology; a worldview; a map of the territory.
I notice you didn't respond to my question, so I'll take that to be a "yes, I'm going to turn this into a debate." If you happen to be interested in mutual understanding and learning, I'd be happy to elaborate on the reasoning. A good place to start would be pretty much any textbook on ecology. Learn about life cycles, nutrient cycles, and all that.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
I tell you in all honesty this present life often seems like hell to me. And I do not have it that bad. So I hope for something better. And if not that then eternal sleep does not sound so bad.
Domenic
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I'm not a scientist, but I work for one. He has proven himself. His first report: Genesis 1:1 He created TIME(in the beginning) SPACE (the heavens) and Matter.( earth.) Plus he made it all from the same material. .He recorded this over 2,000 years ago. He also recorded in the same report that the earth was suspended in space, and held up by nothing. NASA reported from the moon rocks, that it seemed the moon was nothing more than a reflector of light. They should have read my scientist report...he said, "The moon was there to reflect light upon the earth." He also had a PS on this report. He said, "Nothing can move the earth." Everything movers around it. NASA said, "When they make calculations to send a space ship out into space, they calculate with the earth not moving, and everything moving around the earth." He uses the word theory in place of, "HAHA." His favorite movie is, Planet of the Apes.
I'm not a scientist, but I work for one. He has proven himself. His first report: Genesis 1:1 He created TIME(in the beginning) SPACE (the heavens) and Matter.( earth.) Plus he made it all from the same material. .He recorded this over 2,000 years ago. He also recorded in the same report that the earth was suspended in space, and held up by nothing. NASA reported from the moon rocks, that it seemed the moon was nothing more than a reflector of light. They should have read my scientist report...he said, "The moon was there to reflect light upon the earth." He also had a PS on this report. He said, "Nothing can move the earth." Everything movers around it. NASA said, "When they make calculations to send a space ship out into space, they calculate with the earth not moving, and everything moving around the earth." He uses the word theory in place of, "HAHA." His favorite movie is, Planet of the Apes.
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Domenic
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Oh, I almost forgot, my scientist also invented DNA. It's a program that when unzipped, tells how every part of something is to be built, function, and how the whole things works together. It's a hard drive, and soft program all in one. Other scientist have taken credit for many of his inventions. Where did you think computers, and computer programs came from? They took the idea from my scientist report on DNA.
I'll bet all the human scientist together can't build one single atom. That should be kid stuff.
I'll bet all the human scientist together can't build one single atom. That should be kid stuff.
Now, that resonates with me. Yes...maybe 'heaven' is really just an end to all the earthly sufferings.