Today Rival...

[Quetzal]

But...cows!

I am just picking at you. I hope it works out for you and it gives you greater fulfillment. Good luck!

 

[wizanda]

Replace it with

Beans (20% protein), hemp (45%), tofu (8%), soya meat alternatives (20%), Quorn (14%), etc....

Proteins are what makes you feel full, there are plenty of meat alternatives.

 

[Iti oj]

Beans (20% protein), hemp (45%), tofu (8%), soya meat alternatives (20%), Quorn (14%), etc....

Proteins are what makes you feel full, there are plenty of meat alternatives.

nuts and other seeds, rice, quinoa oat
I don't eat soy/tofu unless im eating out at like Chinese food wel ltake home

 

[Chakra]

But...cows!

I've come the realization that cows are just large dogs.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Lol we already ate. I declined the chicken

So you finally recognized your cannibalism and stopped it? Congrats!

 

[Mycroft]

But...cows!

But animals die whatever your diet is! Millions upon millions of voles, shrew, mice, rats and rabbits and insects are swept up into the blades of combine harvesters, or poisoned by farmers to protect crops, or hunted by rabbiting dogs to clear their warrens in the pursuit of growing vegetables11!11!!111

 

[Iti oj]

But animals die whatever your diet is! Millions upon millions of voles, shrew, mice, rats and rabbits and insects are swept up into the blades of combine harvesters, or poisoned by farmers to protect crops, or hunted by rabbiting dogs to clear their warrens in the pursuit of growing vegetables11!11!!111

to be fair im completely against modern agriculture as a whole. Big agro is a huge threat to this planet regardless of dietary choice.

Still doesn't justify apathy or eating meat.

 

[Mycroft]

to be fair im completely against modern agriculture as a whole. Big agro is a huge threat to this planet regardless of dietary choice.

Still doesn't justify apathy or eating meat.

Even in classical agriculture if a bunch of rabbits destroys your crop, the farmer usually uses or hires dogs to go and find these rabbits and destroy their warren. Sure, the death toll is much greater in industrial farming, but it's never animal-death free.

I'm not using it as a justification for eating meat, but more as a cautionary tale for magifying any vegetarian or vegan diet as being, somehow, the saviour of animals.

 

[Chakra]

I'm not using it as a justification for eating meat, but more as a cautionary tale for magifying any vegetarian or vegan diet as being, somehow, the saviour of animals.

It's the best we can do. No one said we were perfect, especially when we live in a imperfect society.

 

[Rival]

I'm not doing it primarily for the animals, I'm doing it because I don't think it's natural for humans to eat meat.

 

[Iti oj]

Even in classical agriculture if a bunch of rabbits destroys your crop, the farmer usually uses or hires dogs to go and find these rabbits and destroy their warren. Sure, the death toll is much greater in industrial farming, but it's never animal-death free.

I'm not using it as a justification for eating meat, but more as a cautionary tale for magifying any vegetarian or vegan diet as being, somehow, the saviour of animals.

That's true, though permaculture strives to create a system with balance where that might not be necessary(though it is a bit of a dream for 100%) I mean ill kill termites that get into my house.

 

[wizanda]

Why do meat eaters always need to make a point?

Like vegans get accused of being pushy....

Yet the moment you mention, I've decided to stop eating meat, out comes all the spiel, "if you didn't eat cows, they be extinct already, animals need you to eat them to continue their survival."

somehow, the saviour of animals.

Watch the documentary (it's on Netflix), and you'll realize one of the planet's biggest polluters is cattle; therefore a vegan/veggie diet, might be the saviour of mankind.

 

[Iti oj]

I would also point out that getting rid of meat and animials products would be good for the environment and society as a whole

 

[Mycroft]

Why do meat eaters always need to make a point?

Like vegans get accused of being pushy....

Yet the moment you mention, I've decided to stop eating meat, out comes all the spiel, "if you didn't eat cows, they be extinct already, animals need you to eat them to continue their survival."

Watch the documentary (it's on Netflix), and you'll realize one of the planet's biggest polluters is cattle; therefore a vegan/veggie diet might be the saviour of mankind.

I don't necessarily disagree with you Wiz, don't get me wrong. I mainly argue the Vegan/Vegetarian rhetoric of 'It's cruel!' and 'You're killing animals!'

Sure it's cruel. But so is a painful and agonizing death at the hands of poison laid out to protect their precious vegetables.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm not doing it primarily for the animals, I'm doing it because I don't think it's natural for humans to eat meat.

Humans didn't evolve to eat meat originally, it's true. We did, however, adapt to eat meat over time.

 

[Iti oj]

I don't necessarily disagree with you Wiz, don't get me wrong. I mainly argue the Vegan/Vegetarian rhetoric of 'It's cruel!' and 'You're killing animals!'

Sure it's cruel. But so is a painful and agonizing death at the hands of poison laid out to protect their precious vegetables.

im more its bad for the environment, bad for society and unnecessary... though the cruelty aspect is certainly true.

 

[Rival]

Humans didn't evolve to eat meat originally, it's true. We did, however, adapt to eat meat over time.

Not really and we still can't digest it properly.

 

[Lyndon]

Even in classical agriculture if a bunch of rabbits destroys your crop, the farmer usually uses or hires dogs to go and find these rabbits and destroy their warren. Sure, the death toll is much greater in industrial farming, but it's never animal-death free.

I'm not using it as a justification for eating meat, but more as a cautionary tale for magifying any vegetarian or vegan diet as being, somehow, the saviour of animals.

Big whole in your argument is that most farmed vegetarian food goes to feed animals that people eventually eat, so meat eaters are killing double.

 

[wizanda]

I don't think it's natural for humans to eat meat.

As a qualified chef, it is what i learned at college that made me finally stop eating meat....

The collagen in beef isn't digestible with our stomach's acid, therefore we serve it with mustard, horseradish, etc, to increase the Saliva to help even consume it.

These learned later, yet it had already started to make me question, are we even designed/evolved to eat animals.

Eating pig has been shown to lead to arthritis.

Milk causes osteoporosis.

Eggs cause high cholesterol.

Since meat isn't digestible, we sit with miles of it within out intestines, slowing down our whole metabolism, and thus making us age.

We did, however, adapt to eat meat over time.

Biology/science says not, only religions and agricultural businesses have told us we can, yet it is a lie, and now even mainstream papers are printing, 'red meat causes the same risk of getting cancer, as smoking'.

 

[Chakra]

As a qualified chef, it is what i learned at college that made me finally stop eating meat....

The collagen in beef isn't digestible with our stomach's acid, therefore we serve it with mustard, horseradish, etc, to increase the Saliva to help even consume it.

Do you have other examples like this that you could share with us?