Today we stand together

[ChristineM]

Prease exprain?

If you mean me then i have never been rear ended by a drunk (or anyone else while out on my bike) .

Touch wood

 

[Audie]

If you mean me then i have never been rear ended by a drunk (or anyone else while out on my bike) .

Touch wood

No, it was the plumed marsupial who said-

A whole lot of spin going on in certain sub cultures tonight, that's for sure.

And I really don't know what he means.

 

[ChristineM]

No, it was the plumed marsupial who said-

A whole lot of spin going on in certain sub cultures tonight, that's for sure.

And I really don't know what he means.

Ahh, i can understand your confusion on that, nor precisely coherent.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I really don't know what he means.

Let me interpret.....
<plausibly deniable vague criticism of unidentified parties>

 

[Audie]

Ahh, i can understand your confusion on that, nor precisely coherent.

It is, though, cryptic, which balances the lack
of coherence.

 

[sayak83]

Today all religious and spiritual communities should stand together with the muslim community and we should be there with them and for them. The Terror that was made toward the two mosques are evil deeds and should be not be taken lightly.

I hope all people who not see them self as religious/spiritual can stand together with the muslims too.

Persecution of Muslim people have increased greatly over the last two years....with what has been happening in Mynmar, China and several other places. Now far right terrorists have joined the fray as well.

'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam

 

[Spirit of Light]

Persecution of Muslim people have increased greatly over the last two years....with what has been happening in Mynmar, China and several other places. Now far right terrorists have joined the fray as well.

'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam

It is sad

 

[Audie]

Let me interpret.....
<plausibly deniable vague criticism of unidentified parties>

Is that the same as craven obscurantism?

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that the same as craven obscurantism?

Sure, why not.

 

[Audie]

Persecution of Muslim people have increased greatly over the last two years....with what has been happening in Mynmar, China and several other places. Now far right terrorists have joined the fray as well.

'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam

Do you have any thoughts to offer as to why China
feels this is necessary, worth the great cost?

And, do you feel that the word "persecution" is entirely
apt, in view of the atrocities widely perpetrated by
Muslims?

 

[Lyndon]

The usual islamophobe chatter.

 

[sayak83]

Do you have any thoughts to offer as to why China
feels this is necessary, worth the great cost?

And, do you feel that the word "persecution" is entirely
apt, in view of the atrocities widely perpetrated by
Muslims?

China is doing this to Tibetans as well. At the end of the day, Chinese govt. is as intolerant to variant views and identities as North Korean regime. It simply is more pragmatic in the way it goes about its business. What is going on is erasure of identity through concentration camps as was done to native Americans in Canada and USA earlier in the day.
Yes. The word persecution is entirely appropriate. Any person systematically targeted merely because he/she happens to fall in an identity group that one happens to hate for something some other individual having that identity may not have done is persecution.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you have any thoughts to offer as to why China
feels this is necessary, worth the great cost?

And, do you feel that the word "persecution" is entirely
apt, in view of the atrocities widely perpetrated by
Muslims?

I see China as a greater threat than Islam.
It's sort of an oppressive theocracy without a theology.
And it appears bent on more aggressive expansion.

 

[Audie]

The usual islamophobe chatter.

Someone here is phobic about Islam?

 

[Audie]

I see China as a greater threat than Islam.
It's sort of an oppressive theocracy without a theology.
And it appears bent on more aggressive expansion.

Well, there is the matter of POV, of course.
I feel like I have a foot on each of two different planets
sometimes.

At about the same time that the US was having
its ruinous civil war, China was experiencing one
that lasted five times as long and killed 60 times
as many people.

Then there was...but not to do a history review.
Things is, that there has been so much chaos
and division! And the resulting weakness has
led to more destruction and humiliation.

Now, it may be that China is a bit too touchy
on these matters, but, one does need to
have some perspective on where they are
coming from.

It is not like they just cooked it up for a hobby.

The behaviour of Islamic majority countries
re tolerance and peace has not been real
good and the behaviour of minority groups
in, say, Philippines has not been so good either.

And, you know, there have been provocative
incidents in China.

Overproaciveing? Seems like it. And not
being very nice about it.

Who knows what the ultimate outcome is
going to be.

But while the US (some people in the US at least)
revel in what is called diversity, feel it is such a value
as to risk societal suicide for it, China just is not
like that. The value being sought is kind of the
opposite.

Does that make sense?

 

[dybmh]

What can be done?

Fear is the cause; Education and Exposure are the cure.

"Queensland Senator Fraser Anning has been widely condemned for his “disgusting” comments in the wake of the fatal Christchurch mosque massacre."

In spite of the disgusting comments; the quote below illustrates my point.

"In a media statement issued this afternoon, Senator Anning said the attacks highlighted the “growing fear over an increasing Muslim presence” in Australian and New Zealand communities."

hyperlink >>> www.news.com.au

What do I mean by Exposure?

"Exposure therapy involves exposing the target patient to the anxiety source or its context without the intention to cause any danger. Doing so is thought to help them overcome their anxiety or distress."

hyperlink >>> Exposure therapy - Wikipedia

This means more open borders, less isolation is a path towards less violence.

 

[Audie]

China is doing this to Tibetans as well. At the end of the day, Chinese govt. is as intolerant to variant views and identities as North Korean regime. It simply is more pragmatic in the way it goes about its business. What is going on is erasure of identity through concentration camps as was done to native Americans in Canada and USA earlier in the day.
Yes. The word persecution is entirely appropriate. Any person systematically targeted merely because he/she happens to fall in an identity group that one happens to hate for something some other individual having that identity may not have done is persecution.

Comparing China to N Korea is just ignorant.

Now, I figured the response to what I said would be
heedless of what I actually said-

And, do you feel that the word "persecution" is entirely
apt, in view of the atrocities widely perpetrated by
Muslims?

And I was correct. Perhaps if I had put it in bold,
as I will now. See above.

Now, the word "persecute" of course is open to
much equivocation. One sets out to persecute a
war, persecute his enemies.

But you mean-"merely because he/she happens to fall in an identity group that one happens to hate"...?

Is that your response to my question.

Do you have any thoughts to offer as to why China
feels this is necessary, worth the great cost?

Because if it is-
Sorry-ah, but that is not what is going on re
Tibet or the Uyghur. It is a gross mischaracterization.

Guess I could ask again though..

Do you have any thoughts to offer as to why China
feels this is necessary, worth the great cost?

 

[Audie]

Fear is the cause; Education and Exposure are the cure.

"Queensland Senator Fraser Anning has been widely condemned for his “disgusting” comments in the wake of the fatal Christchurch mosque massacre."

In spite of the disgusting comments; the quote below illustrates my point.

"In a media statement issued this afternoon, Senator Anning said the attacks highlighted the “growing fear over an increasing Muslim presence” in Australian and New Zealand communities."

hyperlink >>> www.news.com.au

What do I mean by Exposure?

"Exposure therapy involves exposing the target patient to the anxiety source or its context without the intention to cause any danger. Doing so is thought to help them overcome their anxiety or distress."

hyperlink >>> Exposure therapy - Wikipedia

This means more open borders, less isolation is a path towards less violence.

"is thought to help", yes.

I think it would be worthwhile to investigate how
"more exposure" is often enough the source of
more hatred and violence.

 

[Revoltingest]

Does that make sense?

Very much so.

It's like Uncle Duke said of China...
The world's largest penal colony.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Prease exprain?

Simply put, a lot of people trying to work out how to try to make this shooting fit their preconceived agenda.