Today we stand together

[Audie]

What I merely trying to say - that attacking Muslims and killing a few of them who I shall presume were peaceful people going about their worship - provides fuel for the radicals to recruit more people and resources to their cause

The vast majority of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia who also sponsored Osama bin Laden in his early days - but the political interests in the West choose to overlook that given the $$ and oil that comes from Saudi Arabia

Yes, this is all true, and not good.

But I was wondering what you would recommend.

 

[oldbadger]

The OP also singled out atheists as a group whose
compassion is in question.


I responded to a scurrilous attack on my country.

YOU seem to have ignored all the other
posts unrelated to the thread title, such as by the
Revolting one on bicycle accident.

Some reason to single me out?

Or to ignore the my posts that are OT?

Or not to "notice" that no thread ever fails
to go off in divers directions?

Somehow I don't think that you are standing together.
So far there are 49 murdered, over 20 seriously injured and countless traumatised folks.
Everyone needs to focus on this and condemn all maniacs who have so much murderous hatred.

 

[Audie]

Somehow I don't think that you are standing together.
So far there are 49 murdered, over 20 seriously injured and countless traumatised folks.
Everyone needs to focus on this and condemn all maniacs who have so much murderous hatred.

"Somehow" is your operative word.

I noticed BTW that besides me, only Christine
noted the bit of anti atheist bigotry in the OP,
tucked in there while calling for unity.

 

[ajay0]

New Zealand is such a peaceful island of great natural beauty and beautiful human beings. I am sorry that such an incident has happened over there which has damaged the tranquility of the place and will create a lot of negative vibes.

Hopefully, gun control laws all over the world will be tightened to prevent repetition of such tragic incidents.

 

[oldbadger]

So do you support the mass killing of innocent Muslims or what????

Hi.......
It's kind of shocking, don't you think? That folks just can't seem to be bothered to respond to the thread title, but make stupid moans in other directions.......?

There are too many haters in the world who wish to stir up conflicts.

 

[Audie]

Islamphobia is sick, bigoted and idiotic, and rares its ugly head again in what was supposed to be a tribute to innocent victims of islamophobic hatred, instead we have examples of the type of hatred that propelled the perpetrator, disgusting.

Unless you care to identify someone doing this, and
provide an example, you are the one doing what you
condemn.

 

[oldbadger]

"Somehow" is your operative word.

I noticed BTW that besides me, only Christine
noted the bit of anti atheist bigotry in the OP,
tucked in there while calling for unity.

Do you have any thoughts for the murdered and their loved ones?

 

[Revoltingest]

The OP also singled out atheists as a group whose
compassion is in question.

Rather than malice, I see an oversight.

 

[Lyndon]

The OP called for non religious people to stand with the victims just like he called for religious people to stand with the victims, those that don't see that plainly are having trouble reading the English language.

 

[Audie]

Rather than malice, I see an oversight.

I did not take it as malice, just a sort of auto-assumption
that atheists are some way lesser beings,
incapable of real morality, love, appreciation of
beauty, and in this case,of questionable ability
to show compassion. We do see it often enough!

Actually, that same question just came up,
again, from some elderly canine.


It would be good if our OP would care to
come back and clarify what proved to be an
invidious statement, however it was intended.

 

[Audie]

The OP called for non religious people to stand with the victims just like he called for religious people to stand with the victims, those that don't see that plainly are having trouble reading the English language.

"Those" who speak of "those" doing something wrong
but cannot give any example are having trouble
with something, Perhaps you could say what that
something is?

 

[Willamena]

Today all religious and spiritual communities should stand together with the muslim community and we should be there with them and for them. The Terror that was made toward the two mosques are evil deeds and should be not be taken lightly.

I hope all people who not see them self as religious/spiritual can stand together with the muslims too.

Well said.

 

[Lyndon]

"Those" who speak of "those" doing something wrong
but cannot give any example are having trouble
with something, Perhaps you could say what that
something is?

Do you speak English or are you using a translator????

 

[Audie]

Do you speak English or are you using a translator????

My English is considerably better than yours, and,
if you wish to keep up what now looks like a racist attack,
you will get reported.

 

[Revoltingest]

I did not take it as malice, just a sort of auto-assumption
that atheists are some way lesser beings,
incapable of real morality, love, appreciation of
beauty, and in this case,of questionable ability
to show compassion. We do see it often enough!

Actually, that same question just came up,
again, from some elderly canine.


It would be good if our OP would care to
come back and clarify what proved to be an
invidious statement, however it was intended.

I understand that.
But I think our friend just had a momentary smaller perspective than what he strives for.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Back to the tragic events in New Zealand.

I first heard about it via NPR's news feed on my way to work, this morning. Tragic. Horrific were words used, and I have to agree.

As much as I do not respect *religion* all that much? (those who follow my words are saying "duuuh" about right now)

I *do* firmly believe everyone should have the right to gather as they see fit, to practice the religion of their choice. And that such gatherings be free from coercion or life threatening dangers.

You can never be successful at changing people's minds, using violence. Those that are dead, are beyond thinking, and those who survive? Will be galvanized against whomever perpetrates the violence.

I grieve for the victims, their families and anyone who was nearby when it all went down.

I am sad that those who perpetuated the violence will never see the punishment they deserve, as I cannot conceive of one that would make equal, the evil they did. I've seen photos, and read the words, of the evil-doers, and they were absolutely without remorse, without empathy, and were truly dead inside. That seems like it should be punishment enough, to be so... inhuman. *sigh*

What sickens me even more? Is that the USA is partly responsible for this tragedy. We "elected" a literal madman, who's sheer lack of empathy serves as inspiration for other madmen, who in turn, commit heinous acts of violence, because they saw the antics of a buffoon on TV. For Shame, America. For Shame.

As always, the only way to fix these issues? Is with education, more education, and education without limits on what is, and what is not permissible subject material. Teach *all* of History, not just the bits that agree with whomever is in power, or whichever religion is Most Favorite at the time.

 

[Audie]

I understand that.
But I think our friend just had a momentary smaller perspective than what he strives for.

Hope so but the only one who could say
declines to say anything.

 

[Lyndon]

My English is considerably better than yours, and,
if you wish to keep up what now looks like a racist attack,
you will get reported.

If your English is so good I suggest you go back and CAREFULLY read the OPs statement, where, if you actually know how to read English you will see he made the same request for religious and non religious people to stand with the victims, seriously you're so wrong on this, its in the OP plain as day.

 

[Revoltingest]

My English is considerably better than yours, and,
if you wish to keep up what now looks like a racist attack,
you will get reported.

Remember the wisdom of McCoy in Friday's Child....
"What the Klingon has said is unimportant and we do not hear his words."

 

[Lyndon]

I understand that.
But I think our friend just had a momentary smaller perspective than what he strives for.

Revoltingest, you're having the same problem with the English language as Audie is, read the OP CAREFULLY,