TOE

[Polymath257]

Arent Natural selection and genetics facts as well?

Not in the same way, no. They are both very well supported theories of how, for example, species change or how traits get passed from one generation to the next.

But, for both, there are edge cases where the standard model doesn't work. neutral drift, for example, in population dynamics, or aspects of epigenetics for genetics. The theory is continually, well, evolving to meet the new facts and explain them.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think the how and why is pretty apparent don’t you?

What do you see as apparent?

 

[Jimmy]

No, actually. Gravity is the reason things accelerate. So, for example, the reason the moon *doesn't* collide with the Earth is also described by the *theory* of gravity. The reason the Earth maintains an orbit around the sun is ALSO described by the *theory* of gravity.

The facts supporting the theory are NOT just that 'things hit the floor'. Much, much more is involved, including how fast they accelerate while falling, and how other aspects of motion are modified by the gravity.

The same force that makes things fall on Earth is the one that keeps the Moon in orbit.

Haha yeah accelerate and hit the floor. It hits the floor because that’s what I was talking about. Things hitting floors. Not moons staying in orbit

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Haha yeah accelerate and hit the floor. It hits the floor because that’s what I was talking about. Things hitting floors. Not moons staying in orbit

Huh?

 

[Polymath257]

I think the how and why is pretty apparent don’t you?

No, actually. For example, the details of the motion of Mercury were not well described by Newton's theory of gravity. That lead to the modification given by Einstein in his general theory of relativity.

But the differences amount to about 43 seconds of arc (about 1/90th of a degree) in the orbit over a century. That this level of precision was expected and made the difference between the two theories means that the details of the motion are simply NOT apparent.

 

[Polymath257]

Haha yeah accelerate and hit the floor. It hits the floor because that’s what I was talking about. Things hitting floors. Not moons staying in orbit

But that is the point: the *theory* of gravity explains all of these things and more.

Might I suggest you study a bit about how science actually works before asking questions like you did? The question itself shows that you haven't dealt much with the scientific method and how things are done in science.

 

[halbhh]

Why is it called the theory of evolution? Isn’t it fact?

Ah, I thought "TOE" would be the "Theory of Everything" as physicists often use the acronym, a grand unifying theory that would account for all of physics perfectly and fully.

Just evolution, eh? .....

To me evolution is just a term representing the general idea that species accumulate mutations and then when there is a change in environment, suddenly new traits are strongly selected for, creating a lot of seemingly quick change in what we find in the fossil record. It's just a general big-tent label for all of those kinds of theories that are related to that.

 

[Polymath257]

Ah, I thought "TOE" would be the "Theory of Everything" as physicists often use the acronym, a grand unifying theory that would account for all of physics perfectly and fully.

Just evolution, eh? .....

To me evolution is just a term representing the general idea that species accumulate mutations and then when there is a change in environment, suddenly new traits are strongly selected for, creating a lot of seemingly quick change in what we find in the fossil record. It's just a general big-tent label for all of those kinds of theories that are related to that.

And, of course, one of the points here is that the *fact* of evolution, that species change over time, was recognized long before Darwin. In fact, other *theories* of evolution were proposed to explain the *fact* (like Lamarckian evolution) but Darwin's gave the better, testable theory. Later, it was extended and modified to include genetics and it now uses computer models to see how populations can change over time.

 

[Jimmy]

Not in the same way, no. They are both very well supported theories of how, for example, species change or how traits get passed from one generation to the next.

But, for both, there are edge cases where the standard model doesn't work. neutral drift, for example, in population dynamics, or aspects of epigenetics for genetics. The theory is continually, well, evolving to meet the new facts and explain them.

So they should call it the theory of how and why evolution works.

 

[Polymath257]

So they should call it the theory of how and why evolution works.

Much easier to simply call it the theory of evolution. Just like we call another the theory of gravity.

 

[Jimmy]

Much easier to simply call it the theory of evolution. Just like we call another the theory of gravity.

I thought science was about accuracy not simplicity

 

[metis]

So they should call it the theory of how and why evolution works.

Maybe link to this: Category:Scientific theories - Wikipedia

 

[Polymath257]

I thought science was about accuracy not simplicity

But it is communicated through language, and communication often requires simplicity. In this case, everyone who is using the language understands the context so it is easier to use the simplified form.

You see the same in math, where the same word (ex: normal) can be used differently in different contexts without causing a noticeable loss of accuracy.

 

[Jimmy]

But it is communicated through language, and communication often requires simplicity. In this case, everyone who is using the language understands the context so it is easier to use the simplified form.

You see the same in math, where the same word (ex: normal) can be used differently in different contexts without causing a noticeable loss of accuracy.

Maybe They should go back to calling it what it was originally called by Darwin. Ive read a lot of science stuff and it’s far from simplistic language

 

[The Hammer]

Scientific Theory: is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

 

[Jimmy]

Scientific Theory: is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

So the how and why basically

 

[Jimmy]

So the how and why basically

Scientific Theory: is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

Reearch of the how and why of facts

 

[Subduction Zone]

Huh?

Let me translate for you:

Haha yeah accelerate and hit the floor. It hits the floor because that’s what I was talking about. Things hitting floors. Not moons staying in orbit

Translation:

Math is hard

 

[The Hammer]

Reearch of the how and why of facts

The how and the why is the ToE lmao

Edit: @Jimmy
The how: evolutionary processes
The why: survivability and adaptability to ones environment

 

[Subduction Zone]

So the how and why basically

I have a feeling that you do not want to learn.