Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike

[Shad]

Brainwashing can happen anywhere.
Just look at all the posters on RF who buy the fiction that war
can consist of easy surgical strikes. Or that enemies cannot
be reasoned with, & must be crushed militarily.

You are pretending strikes are a war. Amusing. Operation Praying Mantis was a serious strikes directly upon Iran itself. No war came from that. Try again.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Always tickles me when Americans think they aren't brainwashed. If someone showed you a video of kids pledging the flag, and told you it was North Korea, you'd be incensed at the "brainwashing". Seriously, you don't have to go far to see it. Just look to any of our forum Usual Suspects who are committed to supporting their president, military and police, right or wrong.

What else is the whole. American dream.

 

[ecco]

I'm telling you that propaganda is everywhere.
Watch out for it.
Do you disagree?

Note also that our propaganda is associated with
killing far far more people than is Iranian propaganda.

Again...
Are you really going to compare the religious and political brainwashing that takes place in places like Iran with what happens in this country?

 

[ecco]

The context is "The USA has been killing Iranians for decades".

Yeah, comparing Iran's civilian body count with America's... probably not a thread you want to pull at too hard...

My comment, once again, was in response to:

Iran never responds by threatening to kill civilians.

I live in Iran and I do not hear that any one says Iran must kill American cicilians.

 

[ecco]

Always tickles me when Americans think they aren't brainwashed. If someone showed you a video of kids pledging the flag, and told you it was North Korea, you'd be incensed at the "brainwashing". Seriously, you don't have to go far to see it. Just look to any of our forum Usual Suspects who are committed to supporting their president, military and police, right or wrong.

Yes, we pledge the flag and skip the "under god" part. Yes, we see football teams praying before and after games. Yes, we half of us see Fox and Hannity and the rest of the Right Wing nut cases. Yes, we see mega churches dominating the Sunday morning airwaves.


However, that is peanuts to what the average person is subjected to in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran or NK.

You reference North Korea but fail to recognize and understand the vast difference in the amount of indoctrination those people receive compared to us.

 

[ecco]

I think the hope is to see a less adept and capable general as the replacement.

Or one who is even less restrained.

Did the Trump administration know who the replacement would be and what his mindset is? Silly question.

As of this morning Trump said he has 50 targets lined up. The Iranians say they have 300.


I think Trump took out the General for the same reason that Bush invaded Iraq - ego.

 

[ecco]

Do you actually think that the U.S. and other countries haven't assasinated or attempted to assasinate? Castro is an obvious one that comes to mind, all done in the dark.
You cry for the Iranian war criminal, I won't

What a stupid comment.

Where was I crying for an Iranian war criminal? I was commenting on the disregard for International Law.

 

[sooda]

Yes, we pledge the flag and skip the "under god" part. Yes, we see football teams praying before and after games. Yes, we half of us see Fox and Hannity and the rest of the Right Wing nut cases. Yes, we see mega churches dominating the Sunday morning airwaves.


However, that is peanuts to what the average person is subjected to in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran or NK.

You reference North Korea but fail to recognize and understand the vast difference in the amount of indoctrination those people receive compared to us.

Piffle. You don't know anything about KSA.

 

[averageJOE]

Tulsi 2020

 

[Revoltingest]

You are pretending strikes are a war. Amusing. Operation Praying Mantis was a serious of strikes directly upon Iran itself. No war came from that. Try again.

War can range from cold to hot.
(Or do you deny there was ever a cold war between USA & USSR?)
We've long been at various stages of war with Iran.
Covert....by proxy.....cyber.....by coup....it all adds up to continual war.

You argue over labels, & miss the meat of the matter, ie,
that our waging continual war keeps peace at bay, &
risks escalation.

 

[Stanyon]

What a stupid comment.

Take three deep breaths and exhale slowly, better now?

I was commenting on the disregard for International Law.

And I gave an example of the U.S. not following international law decades ago, the Castro thing is a well known fact.
But it isn't just the U.S., it's pretty much every country whether out in on open or behind closed doors in the shadows, maybe you just don't know, maybe you are idealistic. In the case of this Iranian war criminal/international terrorist, who cares if he was killed? Look at it this way, there is a guy that is a known murderer and is known to have planned and is planning to kill more people in the future do you just wring your hands and say "oh well we can't do anything about it " or do you take action? If you would rather wring your hands I know who I don't want standing beside me if things go south.
They had been tracking this guy for years and the opportunnity presented itself and they took action. One of the reasons they took so long was that they wanted to limit civilian casualties and as far as I know there wasn't any.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again...
Are you really going to compare the religious and political brainwashing that takes place in places like Iran with what happens in this country?

Of course I can compare them.
It's useful to understand propaganda used on them, &
propaganda used on us. The latter is especially important.
If we don't face our being subjected to it, we'll be more
susceptible to it.
Are you arguing that we shouldn't admit to domestic
propaganda which can mislead us?

 

[Shad]

War can range from cold to hot.
(Or do you deny there was ever a cold war between USA & USSR?)

The Cold War wasn't a war. Go look up the term and try again.

We've long been at various stages of war with Iran.
Covert....by proxy.....cyber.....by coup....it all adds up to continual war.

Nope.

You argue over labels, & miss the meat of the matter, ie,

You have no idea what the labels you are using mean. See above.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Cold War wasn't a war. Go look up the term and try again.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that.

Nope.

You focus upon disliking the term, "war".
But the label isn't the issue.
It's about the consequences & the risks of escalation.

You have no idea what the labels you are using mean. See above.

Well, I don't have your keen intellect, so please bear with me.

 

[mojtaba]

Your Quran and your hadiths...

The Quran, chapter 3 (Al Imran), verse 169–170:[7]

Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 111:[8]

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):

The Quran, chapter 22 (Al-Hajj), verse 58–59:[9]

Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. Verily He will admit them to a place with which they shall be well pleased:

1. "Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them." - Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34
2. ↑ 7.0 7.1 "A man asked the Prophet : 0 Prophet of God, will the inmates of Paradise have sexual intercourse ? He said: Anybody among them will be given sexual strength of seven, persons among you. The Prophet said : An inmate of Paradise will have five hundred hurs, four thousand unmarried women and eight thousand widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life time. He also said: There will be markets in Paradise in which there will be no buy and sale, but there will be men and women. If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise-we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honoured husbands.", Al Ghazzali, "Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4", Death and Subsequent Events 430 (archived)

Hadiths are not ours. They are from Sunni books.
In addition, Quran does not say,

"became martyr". What does that mean? Do you think he is now up in Muslim heaven with 7 (or 72 ) virgins and young boys to attend to his needs?

When I say you are brainwashed, you become angry.

 

[Shad]

We'll have to agree to disagree about that.

Your disagreement is irrelevant. The term is not about war itself. Its like disagreeing with what cat means.

You focus upon disliking the term, "war".

No you didn't know what the term means, nothing more.

But the label isn't the issue.
It's about the consequences & the risks of escalation.

Which is Iran's problem as it is escalating. Trump called off a number of strikes over the last few years over Iranian actions. The General was the last straw.

 

[mojtaba]

That's really funny. You live in Iran and you think people in the US are brainwashed? That's really funny.

You have had your religion beaten into your head since the day you were born. You live in a country that is run by theologians. You live in a country where women are told how to dress, where to walk and with whom they can talk.

In Iran women can dress whatever they want. Only they should cover their hairs when there are non-family men. Women can talk with everyone in Iran. They can go everywhere in Iran.

Again, when I say people like you are brainwashed, you become angry.

 

[Shad]

In Iran women can dress whatever they want. Only they should cover their hairs when there are non-family men.

And there is the exception which makes it's way into public given a large percentage of most populations are male. Ergo they must wear it, a covering out in public so ergo can not wear what they want. You just refuted yourself. Impressive

 

[Revoltingest]

Hadiths are not ours. They are from Sunni books.
In addition, Quran does not say,


When I say you are brainwashed, you become angry.

No one ever admits they're brainwashed.
After all, they believe what they believe, & it is who they are.
They can't be wrong, eh.
The only way to resist propagandistic efforts all around us is to be
aware of them. In our media, I see many appeals to emotion to urge
us into war. They paint Iran as evil, yet they ignore wrongs done by
our own country. They justify our policing Iran & its corner of the world,
yet they ignore Iran's perspective & genuine concerns. We hear about
God being on our side...His warriors doing His righteous work.
We hear that it's just "surgical" strikes which take out only bad guys.
We advertise about the exciting & noble job of being a soldier...an elite
hero serving the country. It's prestigious. Ordinary citizens will fete
them with "Thank you for your service.".

Oh, and if it does escalate to war, our advanced technology will quickly
dispatch the primitives. We can kill them without risking a boot on the
ground. I wonder though....when has it worked out that way?

 

[Wandering Monk]

In Iran women can dress whatever they want. Only they should cover their hairs when there are non-family men. Women can talk with everyone in Iran. They can go everywhere in Iran.

Again, when I say people like you are brainwashed, you become angry.

Iran sure is a beacon of tolerance, isn't it?

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