Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike

[mojtaba]

And there is the exception which makes it's way into public given a large percentage of most populations are male. Ergo they must wear it, a covering out in public so ergo can not wear what they want. You just refuted yourself. Impressive

We ourselves have selected Hijab and like it. Don't we have this right? If we have selected a thing, we are brainwashed?

 

[Revoltingest]

Iran sure is a beacon of tolerance, isn't it?

Iran defends execution of gay people | DW | 12.06.2019

Does our looking down upon Iran's religious oppression serve to fuel war lust?
If so, then should we attack Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, or Pakistan?
We aren't even done fixing Afghanistan yet.

I caution people to not link attacking Iran with disapproval
of their theocracy.

 

[Shad]

We ourselves have selected Hijab and like it. Don't we have this right? If we have selected a thing, we are brainwashed?

Again you pointed out a legal or tradition "should" expectation which refuted your claim all on your own. I just pointed it out to you. Your counter is babble as you are assuming 100% of all woman picked the view you put forward without evidence. There are a number of Iranians out here that disagree with your claim about what they want to wear given they do not wear a head covering in public.

 

[Revoltingest]

We ourselves have selected Hijab and like it. Don't we have this right? If we have selected a thing, we are brainwashed?

What we dislike about Iran's dress code is that it's compulsory.
But it's ironic that we have our own dress codes. Sure, sure,
ours are more permissive. But violate them & one could find
oneself arrested & prosecuted.
Differences over dress codes seem a poor reason to include
them in discussions justifying military attacks. I'd prefer that Iran
liberalize some things. But it's their country. It's their business.

 

[Wandering Monk]

We ourselves have selected Hijab and like it. Don't we have this right? If we have selected a thing, we are brainwashed?

The hijab is a sign of a woman's submission. Why should women have to submit?

Does our looking down upon Iran's religious oppression serve to fuel war lust?
If so, then should we attack Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, or Pakistan?
We aren't even done fixing Afghanistan yet.

I caution people to not link attacking Iran with disapproval
of their theocracy.

I have not lust for war. I just have no tolerance for apologists of religious oppression. Are you such an apologist?

 

[mojtaba]

Iran sure is a beacon of tolerance, isn't it?

Iran defends execution of gay people | DW | 12.06.2019

I do not know, who have said that we must follow cultures that we do not like?

Also, there are different conditions for execution of gay people. There must be at least 4 honest people who testify that so and so men have a sexual intercourse with each other. Also, only one kind of sexual intercource have execution penalty. Those 4 honest people must testify that they, themselves have seen that those 2 men did that kind of sexual intercource. Also, if those 2 men repent from their doing before testifying of testifiers, they would not be executed. And so on.

 

[Shad]

I do not know, who have said that we must follow cultures that we do not like?

Also, there are different conditions for execution of gay people. There must be at least 4 honest people who testify that so and so men have a sexual intercourse with each other. Also, only one kind of sexual intercource have execution penalty. Those 4 honest people must testify that they, themselves have seen that those 2 men did that kind of sexual intercource. Also, if those 2 men repent from their doing before testifying of testifiers, they would not be execuated. And so on.

You missed the point. Execution of gays for having sex is consider backwards regardless of how many hoops you have jump through to get a conviction. The principle is considered backwards by most in the West except for hardcore religious nuts. Our religious nuts are your standard citizen or at least the fools creating these laws. Think about it.

 

[mojtaba]

I do not know, who have said that we must follow cultures that we do not like?

Also, there are different conditions for execution of gay people. There must be at least 4 honest people who testify that so and so men have a sexual intercourse with each other. Also, only one kind of sexual intercource have execution penalty. Those 4 honest people must testify that they, themselves have seen that those 2 men did that kind of sexual intercource. Also, if those 2 men repent from their doing before testifying of testifiers, they would not be executed. And so on.

I should say that also testifying itself have diffetent conditions.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I do not know, who have said that we must follow cultures that we do not like?

You oppose human rights then.

United Nations Official Document

Also, there are different conditions for execution of gay people. There must be at least 4 honest people who testify that so and so men have a sexual intercourse with each other. Also, only one kind of sexual intercource have execution penalty. Those 4 honest people must testify that they, themselves have seen that those 2 men did that kind of sexual intercource. Also, if those 2 men repent from their doing before testifying of testifiers, they would not be executed. And so on.

Well, then I guest that makes it OK.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have not lust for war. I just have no tolerance for apologists of religious oppression. Are you such an apologist?

I'm an atheist. Always have been. Born that way...stayed that way.
I find Judaism, Christianity, Islam & others to be anti-reason,
oppressive, & dangerous. Belief in the supernatural, is backward.
Certainty of belief leads believers to do terrible things.
So I don't justify Islam or its practices. Same goes for other religions.
But I allow them to go their own way, even when I disapprove.
Jew, Muslims, Christians....not one is better than the other IMO.
I don't care about their beliefs so long as they're peaceful.
Some have called this apologetics...I describe it as pragmatic.
It's about peace being better than war. Behave accordingly..

"Apologetics"....yet another weaponized word designed to distract from
the issue. I've been called "misogynist", "racist", "Islamophobe", &
"running dog of capitalism". I guess I'll fondly add "islamic apologist"
to my list of faults.

And lest anyone think I'm about appeasement, remember that I
was a weapon designer. I believe in waging war when necessary.
But not when unnecessary. So I was one of the very few draft
dodgers in my field.

 

[mojtaba]

What we dislike about Iran's dress code is that it's compulsory.
But it's ironic that we have our own dress codes. Sure, sure,
ours are more permissive. But violate them & one could find
oneself arrested & prosecuted.
Differences over dress codes seem a poor reason to include
them in discussions justifying military attacks. I'd prefer that Iran
liberalize some things. But it's their country. It's their business.

In Iran, those wemon who have scarf, yet they put their hairs out would not be prosecuated. In Tehran, there are many women who doesnt have a complete Hijab.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I'm an atheist. Always have been. Born that way...stayed that way.
I find Judaism, Christianity, Islam & others to be anti-reason,
oppressive, & dangerous. Belief in the supernatural, is backward.
Certainty of belief leads believers to do terrible things.
So I don't justify Islam or its practices. Same goes for other religions.
But I allow them to go their own way, even when I disapprove.
Jew, Muslims, Christians....not one is better than the other IMO.
I don't care about their beliefs so long as they're peaceful.
Some have called this apologetics...I describe it as pragmatic.
It's about peace being better than war. Behave accordingly..

"Apologetics"....yet another weaponized word designed to distract from
the issue. I've been called "misogynist", "racist", "Islamophobe", &
"running dog of capitalism". I guess I'll fondly add "islamic apologist"
to my list of faults.

And lest anyone think I'm about appeasement, remember that I
was a weapon designer. I believe in waging war when necessary.
But not when unnecessary. So I was one of the very few draft
dodgers in my field.

Nothing I disagree with here.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Again you pointed out a legal or tradition "should" expectation which refuted your claim all on your own. I just pointed it out to you. Your counter is babble as you are assuming 100% of all woman picked the view you put forward without evidence. There are a number of Iranians out here that disagree with your claim about what they want to wear given they do not wear a head covering in public.

Yes, there seems to be a large segment of the younger Iranian population who have had enough of the Ayatollahs.

 

[Shad]

Yes, there seems to be a large segment of the younger Iranian population who have had enough of the Ayatollahs.

The Iranians I know/knew left Iran during the Islamic revolution or are the children of those immigrants.

I do not put much stock into anything coming out of Iran regarding the public. Too much propaganda or conclusions based on a short video.

 

[mojtaba]

Again you pointed out a legal or tradition "should" expectation which refuted your claim all on your own. I just pointed it out to you. Your counter is babble as you are assuming 100% of all woman picked the view you put forward without evidence. There are a number of Iranians out here that disagree with your claim about what they want to wear given they do not wear a head covering in public.

Dear Shad,
I do not talk without evidence. According to undependent studies, about 90% of Iranian women believe in Hijab.

 

[Shad]

Dear Shad,
I do not talk without evidence. According to undependent studies, about 90% of Iranian women believe in Hijab.

Ergo 10% do not. Ergo as per your previous post that 10% is forced to do something against their will they do not agree with. You just refuted your previous posts again.

 

[mojtaba]

Ergo 10% do not. Ergo as per your previous post that 10% is forced to do something against their will they do not agree with. You just refuted your previous posts again.

99.31% of Iranian people voted to Islamic Republic. In Islam wearing Hijab for women is obligatory. People of Iran themseves voted to Islam. So, those 10% should obbey Iran laws which has been agreed by almost all Iranian.

 

[Shad]

99.31% of Iranian people voted to Islamic Republic. In Islam wearing Hijab for women is obligatory. People of Iran themseves voted to Islam. So, those 10% should obbey Iran laws.

Tyranny of the majority.

 

[Aupmanyav]

The hijab is a sign of a woman's submission. Why should women have to submit?

Iran has Hijab, we have 'ghunghat'. But the compulsion was not only on women, the men also were required to cover their head, especially in company of elders. It is a matter of one's culture. I suppose it is so in Iran and other Islamic countries also.

 

[oldbadger]

The hijab is a sign of a woman's submission. Why should women have to submit?

Fair enough. So go to war with Iran and kill millions of women as well?