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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not one for accepting the idea of "sacred" and homo sapiens is an omnivore.

It is not possible to live and not kill. Walk across a field and you'll step on some bugs.

Out of interest, do you see a difference between accidental or unavoidable killing versus either deliberate or in service of your needs?

No judgement here, just curious on your views.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Gee I wonder if Okinawans put butter or oil on their vegetables haha
No, they don't. Their diet is low fat, high carb with only about 1% of their caloric intake being from meat.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language
Out of interest, do you see a difference between accidental or unavoidable killing versus either deliberate or in service of your needs?

No judgement here, just curious on your views.
Certainly. I accidentally/unavoidably step on ants, there's no malice involved :)

Not sure what you mean by "in service of your needs" ... A nutritional belief? An availability belief? Or...?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Alas, I love seafood too much to be a vegetarian. And I've not spent any time petting fish. Petting cows and interacting with them I did a lot of in Indiana, pigs are really cute and smart. There is guilt I feel over them being killed so I can eat them.
But a fresh fish fry? Coconut shrimp? Crab legs? I love them even though we've learned "it's ok to eat fish because they don't have any feelings" isn't actually correct because they too are sentient. But unlike pigs and cows they actually taste yummy.
Same here as most of the meat I eat is some sort of fish, such as yesterday when I had flounder.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
99.9% of People who live 90 and older eat meat daily. it’s not about how much you eat or how often it’s about what kind
A common denominator with them is that they have mostly a plant-based diet but with occasional seafood.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Certainly. I accidentally/unavoidably step on ants, there's no malice involved :)

Not sure what you mean by "in service of your needs" ... A nutritional belief? An availability belief? Or...?

Sorry, clumsy wording. Just meant animals being killed to meet demands you have, even if you're not the one doing the killing. Food is the most obvious one. Leather. Religious sacrifice. Anything, really.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language
Sorry, clumsy wording. Just meant animals being killed to meet demands you have, even if you're not the one doing the killing. Food is the most obvious one. Leather. Religious sacrifice. Anything, really.
Oh ok. Well, I can only speak for myself of course. I'm virtually vegan in my diet, vegetarian "at worst" - such as eating out where others have chosen the venue, I'm comfortable being a backslider. I have one or two leather items, remnants from being "just" a vegetarian, and chucking them won't bring back those killed. I realise I take medication that has been tested on other species, I hope there'll be an end to that; it makes me feel uncomfortable. And possibly hypocritical. Anyway, I try to do my bit and be the cause of as few "unnecessary" deaths as realistically possible. There's a lot of grey, but I try my best rather than not because of me not being "perfect" in my choices.
Is that what you meant?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
For others, here:
In addition to upping your nutrient intake, reaching those minimums may add years to your life. A 2017 meta-analysis published in the International Journal of Epidemiology found that a higher consumption of fruits and vegetables is associated with a lower risk of mortality from all causes, including heart disease and cancer...

When it comes to longevity, it's the overall eating pattern, rather than one food or food group, that's key. A Mediterranean diet remains one of the gold standards for living longer and more healthfully. This pattern is characterized by a high intake of fruits and vegetables; whole grains; pulses; healthful fats from nuts, olive oil, and avocado; and herbs and spices. It includes seafood a few times a week. The Mediterranean diet also includes moderate consumption of dairy, eggs, and wine and limits the intake of meat and sweets...

To Mediterranean-ize your meals, replace butter with nut butter or avocado on toast and trade it for extra virgin olive oil to sauté vegetables. Snack on fresh fruit with nuts, olives, or roasted chickpeas, and keep meals simple. A balanced Med-diet dinner may consist of fish served over a bed of greens tossed in extra virgin olive oil with a side of roasted potatoes or quinoa and a glass of pinot noir...
-- What to Eat to Live Longer and Healthier
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh ok. Well, I can only speak for myself of course. I'm virtually vegan in my diet, vegetarian "at worst" - such as eating out where others have chosen the venue, I'm comfortable being a backslider. I have one or two leather items, remnants from being "just" a vegetarian, and chucking them won't bring back those killed. I realise I take medication that has been tested on other species, I hope there'll be an end to that; it makes me feel uncomfortable. And possibly hypocritical. Anyway, I try to do my bit and be the cause of as few "unnecessary" deaths as realistically possible. There's a lot of grey, but I try my best rather than not because of me not being "perfect" in my choices.
Is that what you meant?

Yep, cheers!
 
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