trangender man shoots up Christian school

[Shadow Wolf]

I absolutely think that bullying is wrong and I hold school administrators responsible for not stopping it. But bullying is not an excuse to kill innocent people.

No, it's not, but nevertheless it is known for breaking and damaging people.

 

[Ella S.]

"Transgender ideology" is right up there with "evolutionism" in terms of moronic, anti-intellectual neologisms

 

[Debater Slayer]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

Nothing detailing the specific motives and background of the incident has been officially published. I think it's responsible and respectful to avoid speculating about them or forming conclusions before the facts are made public.

I know at least two things are true, however:

• "Transgender ideology" is a politically charged term that has no place in any productive discussion about the medical and psychological phenomena pertaining to trans people. Insofar as it ties an inherent trait (i.e., gender identity) with politics as if the former were malleable, it has no more value than "homosexual ideology" or "Arab ideology."

• Shooting innocent people, especially children, is an especially egregious crime regardless of the beliefs of the perpetrator or the victims.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

I don't think it's been confirmed the shooter was transgender.

"Kristin Mumford, a police spokeswoman, said that the shooter had been born female but listed male pronouns on a LinkedIn profile, which suggested that the suspect was a transgender man. That profile had been active in recent months, with the user reacting to two posts about other people’s career updates."

The Nashville school shooter had a ‘manifesto’ and maps, police say. (Published 2023)

The assailant was described as a former student at the school who was heavily armed and “prepared for a confrontation with law enforcement.”

www.nytimes.com

I am sure more will come out about it later.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Because I suspect that when the manifesto becomes public, it will outline a hatred not just for this one school or those particular kids who bullied him, but for Christianity, which does not adopt the transgender ideology. I suspect that the man will declare that the Christianity and Christians are jointly responsible for what he views as a personal threat against him, thus making it "okay" for him to target perfectly innocent people simply because they were at a Christian school. But that's just me feeling out the probability, what I think will likely happen. Until the manifesto is made public, it is only an intelligent guess.

Perhaps swap the 'adopt' for 'accept' and the 'ideology' for 'evidence'.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I suspect most of the world will see this as yet another gunman shoots up yet another US school, and wonder if anything will ever end that country’s love affair with guns. Everything else may well seem incidental.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Do you make this distinction when someone attacks a synagogue?

Of course, although, given our history, I would presume that it was most likely an antisemitic attack.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople. Like how they call us confused, ban our treatment, insist we are sexual predators, obsess with regrets and failed transitions in ways they don't with other medical procedures, some states (I believe Tennessee is one) warn people of our presence, amd they go on at length at how we're damned sinners making a mockery of their god's design. A friend of mine has been coming out, and I have got to hear a lot about people praying for this person amd hoping this person gets (what they think is a) "suitable" spouse to make this person realize being trans isn't what's really going on. But that's something that's very commonly shared among trans people.

Christians Some Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Christians Some Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople.

In all fairness, those Christians not a thorn in the side of trans people are not true Christians and doing Satan's work and they will burn in Hell.

 

[nPeace]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

Only this morning, I heard that news report. The report said, a woman. Persons were surprised. 'A Woman!'
A reporter said, that of all the school shootings... some 4 thousand, I think, only four of those shooters were women.
Anyway, I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.
The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Christians Some Christians are a thorn in the side for transpeople.

I love how people just pretend that LGBT Christians don't exist. I'm a trans man and a Catholic. Most of the trans people I've known have been Christians and many of them go to church. I'm tired of people acting like we're all oppressed by religion and hate it, and there's no room for us in religion. I'm just being erased by both sides. I guess I don't exist.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I love how people just pretend that LGBT Christians don't exist. I'm a trans man and a Catholic. Most of the trans people I've known have been Christians and many of them go to church. I'm tired of people acting like we're all oppressed by religion and hate it, and there's no room for us in religion. I'm just being erased by both sides. I guess I don't exist.

Sorry if I have done that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In all fairness, those Christians not a thorn in the side of trans people are not true Christians and doing Satan's work and they will burn in Hell.

Or, for that matter, true Scotsmen.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm just being erased by both sides. ...

Precisely.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry if I have done that.

No worries.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime.

It seems to me (s)he was targeting a school. A very specific one. One the (s)he used to go to.

Doesn't matter if its Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever.

There is no mitigating factor for shooting up little kids. Are you kidding me?

False.
Many mitigating factors don't have anything to do with the actual crime or victim, but rather with the culprit.
Suffering from delusional psychosis, for example.

Not saying that is the case here. I don't know anything about the case except the bare facts: "transgender shoots up a private christian school (s)he used to go to. 7 die: 3 adults, 3 kids and the shooter him/herself".

I'm just correcting your claim that there are never mitigating factors for shooting up kids.
This is not true.

 

[Father Heathen]

I absolutely think that bullying is wrong and I hold school administrators responsible for not stopping it. But bullying is not an excuse to kill innocent people.

I don't think anyone is trying to excuse or justify the murder of these 3 children and 3 adults.

I knew garbage like this thread would start popping up once word came out that the shooter was trans.

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

I'm sure by now that all of you have heard the news of teh school shooting in Tenessee. I figured I'd start a place for us to discuss it. The bare facts so far is that the shooter identifies as a transgender man, although most articles I've read seem to refer to him as she/her. Wonder what that's all about? Anyhow, he is a former student from the school.

Question: is this a targeting of a religion because it won't go along with teh transgender ideology? Because if that is the case, then this is a hate crime. We can only wait and see what investigation reveals. So far, the state's representative is calling for the shooter's manifesto to be made public. I think that's a good idea.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, and I would wait for more details to be released. There could be any number of reasons why he did that -- not necessarily because he is transgender and pushing back at people.

If the shooter had been Jewish, and somebody had started a thread with the title: "Jewish man shoots up Christian school" I would have been deeply troubled to see that worded that way and wondering what was the purpose of that. I don't know how transgender people on this forum feel about seeing that.

I'm not saying that you put up that title for any nefarious purpose. I get that you (and maybe others) are curious. Maybe it's just me that finds such a thread title disquieting, because (as I mentioned) I can imagine anybody identifying someone solely by that person's religion or race, who commits a horrendous act -- as though that person's religion or race was the primary reason for committing that act.

 

[VoidCat]

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, and I would wait for more details to be released. There could be any number of reasons why he did that. Somebody who does something like that is usually not right in the head -- not necessarily because he is transgender and pushing back at people.

If the shooter had been Jewish, and somebody had started a thread with the title: "Jewish man shoots up Christian school" I would have been deeply troubled to see that worded that way and wondering what was the purpose of that. I don't know how transgender people on this forum feel about seeing that.

I'm not saying that you put up that title for any nefarious purpose. I get that you (and maybe others) are curious. Maybe it's just me that finds such a thread title disquieting, because (as I mentioned) I can imagine anybody identifying someone solely by that person's religion or race, who commits a horrendous act.

take my like as a winner rating. It is indeed troubling as a transperson seeing this especially as over 400 anti trans bills have been proposed this year alone

 

[Sand Dancer]

Only this morning, I heard that news report. The report said, a woman. Persons were surprised. 'A Woman!'
A reporter said, that of all the school shootings... some 4 thousand, I think, only four of those shooters were women.
Anyway, I commented that this might have been an attack on persons professing belief in God, and we must expect more to come, as the world moves more toward atheism, and away from God.
People are becoming more and more angry, and they are becoming more hateful of those who defend God, because they are tired of hearing about God.
The demonic forces are behind it, as Revelation 12:12 is under fulfillment.

Fewer people are Christian but the conservative half are doubling down with their desire for theocracy. That does make people angry. It shouldn't come down to shooting people though. A mentally stable person would not react so violently. Unfortunately our society is creating angry people. Why????