trangender man shoots up Christian school

[Jose Fly]

I’ve already seen news outlets from the states do exactly what you’re describing

Yep, it's discouraging to see how rare basic critical thinking skills seem to be.

I will say though
It’s honestly beyond disgusting and sad to say, I expected nothing less.

That's a big part of what bothers me. Hate, among other things, is fairly predictable.

It’s easy for me to forget that this is mainly sensationalised news coverage and not the average American take of such a tragic event.
So I apologise for thinking that about Americans.

It’s just frustrating to watch

No worries. As I've pointed out here before, the US has a long, terrible history of conservative Christians hating and persecuting various groups, so it's not like this is a new, or even rare phenomenon. Trans folks unfortunately are just their latest target.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Sure. I'm sorry.
Most people do not accept the answer given, so I wasn't sure, the answer would matter here.

A mentally stable person would not react so violently. Unfortunately our society is creating angry people. Why????
Simply put. People are not under the influence of God's holy spirit, but under the influence of the spirit of this world, under the control of the wicked/evil one.

Spoiler: Source

Galatians 5:
16 But I say, Keep walking by spirit+ and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all. 17 For the flesh is against the spirit in its desire, and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you do not do the very things you want to do. 18 Furthermore, if you are being led by spirit, you are not under law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,* kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires.
25 If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. 26 Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is from God, so that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God.

1 John 5:19
We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

What do Christians understand?
Christians understand that avoiding this worlds spirit, leads to a calm heart, peace of mind, and a meaningful, life of joy and happiness, with great gain.
They understand that the world with its entertainment, materialistic goals, and spirit, fuels and leads to negative influences which results in pain and suffering, and unhappiness.


Some of the world's major problems include physical and mental health issues, poverty, terrorism, drug addition, crime, fraud, racial disharmony, pollution, and many, many other things. List of Global Issues

Spoiler: Problems

Promiscuity in adults
Having multiple sexual partners is linked with risks such as maternal deaths and complications, cancers, sexually transmitted infections, alcohol, and substance use, and social condemnation in some societies.

Effects of human sexual promiscuity - Wikipedia​

Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.

Health Effects | Smoking and Tobacco Use - CDC​

Drug use can lead to dependence and addiction, injury and accidents, health problems, sleep issues, and more. Drug use affects you and those close to you.

Know the Risks of Using Drugs | SAMHSA​

Smoking causes cancer, heart disease, stroke, lung diseases, diabetes, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. Smoking also increases risk for tuberculosis, certain eye diseases, and problems of the immune system, including rheumatoid arthritis.

Health Effects | Smoking and Tobacco Use - CD​

Violence a global public health problem - SciELO​

Community violence can include physical assaults between young people, sexual violence in the workplace and neglect of older people

Profanity | World Problems & Global Issue​

Union of International Associations
http://encyclopedia.uia.org › problem
Profanity. Other Names: Swearing Bad language. Indecent speech. Foul language. Vulgar language. Verbal obscenity. Swear words.

All of these problems become non-existent, when persons apply what the Bible advises.
Persons living by these standards ...
do not steal, murder, rape, commit terrorist acts, get involve in wars, they keep their surroundings and the environment clean - they do not litter, they do not defraud, or get involved in dishonest dealings, they are united in love, regardless of race, or background/culture, they do not use abusive speech, they are not adulterers, nor do they promote things that are harmful to ones health, such as drug and alcohol abuse... etc.


The first sentence means that much of what you and most people have accepted, or believe, is not biologically sound.

I appreciate your response. Thanks for answering.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yep, it's discouraging to see how rare basic critical thinking skills seem to be.

yeah, I grew up on the internet and I can’t disagree unfortunately lol

That's a big part of what bothers me. Hate, among other things, is fairly predictable.

Agreed. It’s awful to see and even more awful to think that it’s completely “on schedule.”
Where is the empathy? The compassion?
It’s truly awful to see

No worries. As I've pointed out here before, the US has a long, terrible history of conservative Christians hating and persecuting various groups, so it's not like this is a new, or even rare phenomenon. Trans folks unfortunately are just their latest target.

It is indeed a sad trend. One that is not unique to America even
Whilst I hold no grudges toward those who hold conservative beliefs, that’s entirely their right as I see it. Absolutely fine
Too often I see some (not all) but some conservatives (and they have positioned themselves as such, I’m really trying hard not to demonise any group here) but these jerks, and I’m sure you know exactly who I’m talking about. They just wage this endless culture war crap, all the whole ignoring real life issues affecting the very voters they’re supposed to represent. It was non white people, then interracial couples, then gay folks (and weirdly enough gamers) and now the trans community. I’m fearful of who they will target next, to be completely honest

And the unfortunate thing is, it is absolutely not hyperbole to compare such rhetoric to that of Nazi Germany. Some of these folks even quote Mein Kampf, ffs
Truly despicable to witness.
Did no one learn from the past, is my question

 

[nPeace]

I appreciate your response. Thanks for answering.

You are most welcomed, my dear.

 

[Jose Fly]

Agreed. It’s awful to see and even more awful to think that it’s completely “on schedule.”
Where is the empathy? The compassion?
It’s truly awful to see

Yup. I went over to a couple of fundamentalist Christian forums/message boards this week, and sure enough, there it was....all the disgusting hate one expects from such people.

It is indeed a sad trend. One that is not unique to America even
Whilst I hold no grudges toward those who hold conservative beliefs, that’s entirely their right as I see it. Absolutely fine
Too often I see some (not all) but some conservatives (and they have positioned themselves as such, I’m really trying hard not to demonise any group here) but these jerks, and I’m sure you know exactly who I’m talking about. They just wage this endless culture war crap, all the whole ignoring real life issues affecting the very voters they’re supposed to represent. It was non white people, then interracial couples, then gay folks (and weirdly enough gamers) and now the trans community. I’m fearful of who they will target next, to be completely honest

Oh for sure. My comments aren't really even about conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives who are perfectly fine people. The ones I'm talking about are fundamentalist Christians.

And the unfortunate thing is, it is absolutely not hyperbole to compare such rhetoric to that of Nazi Germany. Some of these folks even quote Mein Kampf, ffs
Truly despicable to witness.
Did no one learn from the past, is my question

It's amazing how it seems to subside for a while, only to resurface. I suppose with 8 billion people on the planet, it's a pretty safe bet that some of them will be truly awful people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Also, when your crime is cold, calculated, murder, it's a hate crime.

No, that's some of the prerequisites for premeditated murder.

 

[Jimmy]

Yup. I went over to a couple of fundamentalist Christian forums/message boards this week, and sure enough, there it was....all the disgusting hate one expects from such people.


Oh for sure. My comments aren't really even about conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives who are perfectly fine people. The ones I'm talking about are fundamentalist Christians.


It's amazing how it seems to subside for a while, only to resurface. I suppose with 8 billion people on the planet, it's a pretty safe bet that some of them will be truly awful people.

Nice outlook

 

[metis]

I went over to a couple of fundamentalist Christian forums/message boards this week, and sure enough, there it was....all the disgusting hate one expects from such people.

Jesus taught his followers "Love one another as I have loved you", and yet the element you deal with above supports a former president who spews hate constantly. These, I've personally experienced, are some of the nastiest and least "Christian" people I have ever run across, which is also one reason why I left the fundamentalist church I grew up in decades ago. I hated to bring up politics on this, but this is the reality that we are continuously running across here and in the general public forum.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Nice outlook

Do you live in the US? Have you been or are you familiar with fundamentalist Christians? They do not value following Jesus' teachings, just using him as a gatekeeper to heaven, all the while espousing OT values. Law over love, dogma over people, orthodoxy over orthopraxy. Jesus did the opposite.

 

[pearl]

Because I suspect that when the manifesto becomes public, it will outline a hatred not just for this one school or those particular kids who bullied him, but for Christianity, which does not adopt the transgender ideology.

For me it raises another question. How does the law apply in this case concerning a doctor/patient privilege? If she/he was in therapy for emotional problems were there early warning signs that ought to have been communicated to proper authorities? Or would if have made a difference?
Answered my own question, since there are no red flag laws in Ten I guess no difference.

 

[pearl]

Anytime you target a religion with violence, it's a hate crime. Doesn't matter if its Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, whatever.

I see little difference between this attack and others that where the primary target are Christians, Jews, or Asian etc.

 

[We Never Know]

I see little difference between this attack and others that where the primary target are Christians, Jews, or Asian etc.

It was a "christian school".(presbyterian)
Who do you think they were targeting?

 

[We Never Know]

So you aren't basing your opinion on anything deeper than that. Got it.


No, I'm not.

Edit: what do you think will be uncovered in the weeks and months to come about Hale's experience as a student at the school?

The shooter was 28. Lets say "if" they were abused(or whatever) there when they were younger, does that make going back at 28, shooting teachers and kids ok? Justified?

 

[The Hammer]

Also, when your crime is cold, calculated, murder, it's a hate crime.

No, it's not. Takes more to be a "hate crime"

 

[The Hammer]

The shooter was 28. Lets say "if" they were abused(or whatever) there when they were younger, does the make going back at 28, shooting teachers and kids ok?

Does it make it "OK"? Of course not.

Adding reasoning as to why people act the way they do, does not lessen the impact of the crime itself. But it does give judges and juries a place to start when thinking about how to best rehabilitate this individual.

 

[We Never Know]

I absolutely think that bullying is wrong and I hold school administrators responsible for not stopping it. But bullying is not an excuse to kill innocent people.

I 100% agree! And to add, those kids didn't bully her.

 

[We Never Know]

Does it make it "OK"? Of course not.

Adding reasoning as to why people act the way they do, does not lessen the impact of the crime itself. But it does give judges and juries a place to start when thinking about how to best rehabilitate this individual.

Its as if people are making excuses for the person.
-Maybe she was mistreated there when she was in school
-Maybe she was bullied
-Christians are a thorn for transgenders
-etc..

There is no excuse what so ever for killing teachers and kids


If it had been a Trumpster, redneck, etc it would be "its the crazy right-wingers"

 

[The Hammer]

Its as if people are making excuses for the person.
-Maybe she was mistreated there when she was in school
-Maybe she was bullied
-Christians are a thorn for transgenders
-etc..

There is no excuse what so ever for killing teachers and kids


If it had been a Trumpster, redneck, etc it would be "its the crazy right-wingers"

No, it wouldn't have been "crazy right wingers" except to a few.

Now, either way, the deaths are tragic. But this a person who needs help, same thing I'd say to anyone doing this sort of crime.

Did the Xian school cause the issue? Well it's possible that they contributed, but blame hardly ever false squarely on one set of shoulders.

Which is why blame is stupid, and we should focus on the "why", this occured.

 

[pearl]

Who do you think they were targeting?

Due to the very quick response of the police we may never know to what extent the shooter was willing to go.
Judging from the guns in the shooters possession there were many more numbers to be killed.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

For me it raises another question. How does the law apply in this case concerning a doctor/patient privilege? If she/he was in therapy for emotional problems were there early warning signs that ought to have been communicated to proper authorities? Or would if have made a difference?
Answered my own question, since there are no red flag laws in Ten I guess no difference.

Not to mention that I don't understand how he could have legally bought guns if he was in treatment for emotional problems.