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Transgenderism what do u make of this video?
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VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Are you afraid a debate would change your views?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It is often surgery so that people like you. How many women do you see like this:
That is an optional surgery. Transgenderism does not appear to fit into the same category.
Yeah. As a non-transgender woman, if I went and told my doctor I wanted a metoidioplasty or phalloplasty, he wouldn't just put me on the schedule. I had to suffer a good couple years of seizures before brain surgery was even thought up. Then many insurances, like mine, want a doctors diagnosis before paying for anything like that.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Michael Jackson is a good example of normal cosmetic surgery. He was in good mental health.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Not in relation to transgender treatments in addition to hormone therapy and things like that. I've never heard of any doctor that would order such invasive treatments (removing the penis and reconstructing a penis from the vagina) just because someone wants to look different.
I really haven't heard of a good anti-trans argument, really.
We Never Know
No Slack
I simply replied to your post where you said "not really transgender" so that's why I asked what is a real transgender.
VoidCat
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Technically they dont remove it they reconstruct it by turning it inside out
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. Don't know if I want to picture how they do that. Hm.
The penis for a trans man isn't made from the vagina, either. Lol. The vagina is rather useless when it comes to FTM surgeries.
McBell
Unbound
I suspect he is more afraid of the truths in the matter that directly contradict his worldview.
I am a gay man. I fought for gay rights long ago, and we've won them. I can marry my life partner should I choose to, but we're so old that was never part of our thinking, and anyway, we're as married as we need to be (and Canada's common law supports that anyway). I want people to accept me -- but I don't demand that people understand me.
I have very good non-gay friends who are quite comfortable with my orientation, but who could never imagine themselves sharing it. And there's no reason that they should -- I can't imagine being them, either.
So here's my take: I can not imagine myself having any desire at all to transition -- but I can accept that another person may feel differently. And more than "feel differently," may actually be compelled and deeply committed to that transition.
And that's all that's needed, in the end. To know that what I feel is good (so long as I harm nobody), and to accept that the same is true for everybody else. I don't need to "grok" trans. I just need to know that somebody else does -- and that that's okay.
I have very good non-gay friends who are quite comfortable with my orientation, but who could never imagine themselves sharing it. And there's no reason that they should -- I can't imagine being them, either.
So here's my take: I can not imagine myself having any desire at all to transition -- but I can accept that another person may feel differently. And more than "feel differently," may actually be compelled and deeply committed to that transition.
And that's all that's needed, in the end. To know that what I feel is good (so long as I harm nobody), and to accept that the same is true for everybody else. I don't need to "grok" trans. I just need to know that somebody else does -- and that that's okay.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes, lets. You've already shown us you don't know what that is anyways.
You've gotta funny definition of "good mental health."
McBell
Unbound
It seems I misunderstood you.
My apologies for that.
We Never Know
No Slack
Don't take my post wrong. I simply stated if Robert's life as Robert is boring but if he dresses as a woman and calls himself Roberta he gets lots of attention,, is he transgender or just playing s role to get attention.
Take some transgenders that dress say Tom as Cher and Tim as Madonna that sing and get attention,, do you think they would get that same attention singing when being Tom and Tim?
McBell
Unbound
What is your basis for comparison?
Well, except for some porn flicks for those with a taste for that sort of thing.
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Ok I dont know...theyd probably get both hate and support tho. Also they wouldnt be trans but a transvestite
Can I just politely point out that all the accusations of “trans” being a new thing is entirely inaccurate. My culture has recognised it on some level for 6,000 years. There are mentions of non binary folk in folklore and myths of ancient civilisations. like when Ishtar goes into the underworld (Babylonian.)
Just for example. This rigid black and white mentality of the sexes is technically a lot younger, in terms of humanity.
Just for example. This rigid black and white mentality of the sexes is technically a lot younger, in terms of humanity.
Those are not transgender, they are transvestites. They are not changing their apparent gender, they're changing their clothers. And if they're singing, a lot of people would just call them drag queens.
But to your other point, no, they probably wouldn't get as much attention singing in their street clothes as they do in drag.
That’s transvestitism, not transgender though