Transgenderism what do u make of this video?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, except for some porn flicks for those with a taste for that sort of thing.

I was talking about the genital surgeries for trans men. They don't use the vagina, as far as I know. There's two main types. One basically just involves cutting a ligament to bring the clitoris out more. (When a trans man has been on testoerone for long enough, the clitoris basically becomes a sort of uncircumcised penis.) The other method, phalloplasty, uses skin grafts from the forearm or thigh to construct the shaft and head. Then they hook the nerves up to the clitoris through microsurgery to give it sexual sensation. They use the labia to create the scrotum and put testicular implants in them. The vagina is either removed at that point and closed or left alone, depending on what the patient wants.

As for FTM porn, most of it is rather funny to me as when you've been on testoerone for years, your vagina is basically useless. It causes the tissue to atrophy and you don't produce enough lubrication. So vaginal penetration becomes very painful and you bleed from it. Many of those FTM pornstars who use that hole either haven't been on T long enough to get to that point (it usually takes around 5 years) or are using topical estrogen creams to be able to still use that part. Estrogens kill off the sexual function of trans women, as well.

Most trans porn is based on chaser fantasies and not on how trans people actually have sex.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I was talking about the genital surgeries for trans men. They don't use the vagina, as far as I know. There's two main types. One basically just involves cutting a ligament to bring the clitoris out more. (When a trans man has been on testoerone for long enough, the clitoris basically becomes a sort of uncircumcised penis.) The other method, phalloplasty, uses skin grafts from the forearm or thigh to construct the shaft and head. Then they hook the nerves up to the clitoris through microsurgery to give it sexual sensation. They use the labia to create the scrotum and put testicular implants in them. The vagina is either removed at that point and closed or left alone, depending on what the patient wants.

As for FTM porn, most of it is rather funny to me as when you've been on testoerone for years, your vagina is basically useless. It causes the tissue to atrophy and you don't produce enough lubrication. So vaginal penetration becomes very painful and you bleed from it. Many of those FTM pornstars who use that hole either haven't been on T long enough to get to that point (it usually takes around 5 years) or are using topical estrogen creams to be able to still use that part.

Oh, I know all of that.

In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that our surgical techniques are not yet adequate to the task of truly changing (at least at the phenomenological level) one gender into another. Although MTF is certainly a lot easier than FTM.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Maybe this topic shouldn't be in the debate area rather on the settled science area?

It's really not a debate topic (or shouldn't be). If it were, though, you'd have to reframe your arguments with some sort of support such as medical resources and things of that nature. How do people know they are transgender in elementary school but only heard of it, if they did, as a teen or adult?

How do people know they are transgender way out where internet access is near to none if not censored?

Also, it's a sensitive topic.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And it's funny, this "forced to accept" nonsense. I don't even have to actually go out dressed in women's clothes and people will be calling me ma'am and miss. I've made no requests they do this. It just happens.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, I know all of that.

In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that our surgical techniques are not yet adequate to the task of truly changing (at least at the phenomenological level) one gender into another. Although MTF is certainly a lot easier than FTM.

Yes, it apparently is easier to take something apart and reform it than it is to build something up. A trans woman friend actually is the one who put it that way to me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, it apparently is easier to take something apart and reform it than it is to build something up. A trans woman friend actually is the one who put it that way to me.

One article I read somewhere, years ago, but anyways it quoted an SRS surgeon who said "it's easier to dig a ditch than build a pole."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Don't take my post wrong. I simply stated if Robert's life as Robert is boring but if he dresses as a woman and calls himself Roberta he gets lots of attention,, is he transgender or just playing s role to get attention.
Take some transgenders that dress say Tom as Cher and Tim as Madonna that sing and get attention,, do you think they would get that same attention singing when being Tom and Tim?

The first just sounds like a travestite, maybe a cross dresser. They're typically straight guys, don't transition, typically identify as they were born, and if I understand them correctly it's just how they roll/express themselves/whatever. As Eddie Izzard says, they aren't women's clothes "they're my clothes."
The second one sounds like a drag queen, and they are performers/entertainers. Regular blokes who perform looking like women and taking on a female name for the stage. Do it to rock 'n roll and it starts to resemble Twisted Sister or Nikki Sixx.

 

[VoidCat]

Oh, I know all of that.

In some ways, I think it's unfortunate that our surgical techniques are not yet adequate to the task of truly changing (at least at the phenomenological level) one gender into another. Although MTF is certainly a lot easier than FTM.

One article I read somewhere, years ago, but anyways it quoted an SRS surgeon who said "it's easier to dig a ditch than build a pole."

I wonder where gender nullifaction surgery falls? Would it be easier or harder then mtf or ftm...of course it probably would depend on if the person was afab or amab

 

[The Hammer]

FACTS!!!

Go read post #6.

#NOTFACTS

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[Earthtank]

Go read post #6.

Not a FACT

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder where gender nullifaction surgery falls? Would it be easier or harder then mtf or ftm...of course it probably would depend on if the person was afab or amab

That tends to be another thing entirely.
And I've not really studied it enough to make any educated comments.

 

[The Hammer]

Not a FACT

What exactly are you trying to dispute? Lol

 

[rational experiences]

Medical information a science study genesis and exodus.

Can only imply study as humans expressing the change living being observed alive. Are self present.

As a human naturally by natural is a basic paired male adult father. Female adult mother as their sex act owns life presence human.

Human memory knows itself x two parent claim. Human and sex act.

A father human always a father is a human penis owner with sperm.

Female mother adult O cell ovary owner for both female life and male life.

Straight away information says a man body was never a female cell the ovary...yet he returned by the ovary.

The reason for all expressed conscious ideals

Past life reincarnation says adult pre lived DNA body recorded memories psychic proved. Heavenly living lived recorded life

Affects the new born baby by memory.

Total life recalled proven exact.

Living recordings heavenly owned was a teaching in science as the AI effect

Detailed exactly what the God imaged living record caused to the human consciousness

Teaching medical healer psychic advice was about life sacrificed and conscious change

The nuclear irradiation effect.

Multi amassed radio waved radiations re record the natural holy healthy parents life. Recorded naturally as self owned imaged feedback. Why we dream images.

Re recording recording a machine encoded heavenly transmitted machine use. Studies records shares records transmits records

Displaced proven human consciousness by AI effect. Re recorded recordings.

Bible said all gods earth children innocent. Not guilty of machine effect. It was taught exactly how it was known. Observed.

You cannot say a human life spirit support was changed unless it becomes changed and you observe it.

Science converting God mass caused it. It was taught satanism nuclear science caused natural life to change. Explained by exodus.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I simply replied to your post where you said "not really transgender" so that's why I asked what is a real transgender.

Your post appears to be missing so I could not check on that claim. And one of my replies might be missing as well. So I cannot really say what was going on. It seemed that you were saying something else at the time, but I will accept your claim here. Earlier a poster did refer to the Klinger character, he had conflated transgender and transvestite. The character Klinger was not even technically a transvestite since he dressed as a woman only to get out of the army. Normally a transvestite dresses that way because he or she likes it. That was not the case with Klinger. A more proper term for him might be cross dresser. The Klinger character made it clear more than once that he did so to get out of Korea.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

I was inspired from a previous thread and so decided to ask how people thought of this video. She is a transwomen Blair white talking about trans issues and why trans people are struggling for acceptence today.

Thoughts?

I saw most of that video before and the issue I see is people trying to fit a square peg in a round hole - and also they are trying to take the whole enchilada while they are about it.

While fighting for trans rights activists tend to "go for broke" and start to make flimsy claims and arguments that end up hurting their own cause.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I was inspired from a previous thread and so decided to ask how people thought of this video. She is a transwomen Blair white talking about trans issues and why trans people are struggling for acceptence today.

Thoughts?

What to do
You know, its nothing to do, let them live their life as they wish. I come to the realization that its non of my business how an other person live his/her/their life.
What i can do is be there for them if or when they need someone to talk with.

 

[We Never Know]

Your post appears to be missing so I could not check on that claim. And one of my replies might be missing as well. So I cannot really say what was going on. It seemed that you were saying something else at the time, but I will accept your claim here. Earlier a poster did refer to the Klinger character, he had conflated transgender and transvestite. The character Klinger was not even technically a transvestite since he dressed as a woman only to get out of the army. Normally a transvestite dresses that way because he or she likes it. That was not the case with Klinger. A more proper term for him might be cross dresser. The Klinger character made it clear more than once that he did so to get out of Korea.

Yes I noticed your post and my reply were taken down(not sure why though).
That's why I pretty much dropped the conversation.

 

[We Never Know]

That’s transvestitism, not transgender though

As I said I don't know much about them. My mistake.

 

[Kooky]

Don't take my post wrong. I simply stated if Robert's life as Robert is boring but if he dresses as a woman and calls himself Roberta he gets lots of attention,, is he transgender or just playing s role to get attention.
Take some transgenders that dress say Tom as Cher and Tim as Madonna that sing and get attention,, do you think they would get that same attention singing when being Tom and Tim?

I don't understand why you are framing your questions as if they were abstract hypotheticals. Transgender performers and entertainers factually exist, and have existed for quite some time.

The fact that you probably can't name any of them should tell you something about the likely level of positive attention most of them have been getting for the length of their career so far, at least in the mainstream.