trigger warnings… yet again (american university student gov. edition)

[McBell]

I think the University of Chicago handled this issue rather well.
They sent out a letter letting newcomers know that the standards there were more important than student's wishes to be protected from reality.
Students were then free to GTFO.
Tom

Interesting that you ignored the other half of my post....

 

[columbus]

Interesting that you ignored the other half of my post....

There wasn't anything relevant to my point.
U of C gave every student a blanket trigger warning. It covered every class, every meeting, every lecture, everything.
If the student has a problem they are free to deal with it as they see fit. But that isn't the professor's job to do it for them.
Tom

 

[McBell]

There wasn't anything relevant to my point.
U of C gave every student a blanket trigger warning. It covered every class, every meeting, every lecture, everything.
If the student has a problem they are free to deal with it as they see fit. But that isn't the professor's job to do it for them.
Tom

they did?
You forgot to link it.
Perhaps you could link it now?

 

[columbus]

they did?
You forgot to link it.
Perhaps you could link it now?

No I can't.
There's a thread about it here on REF.
Tom

 

[McBell]

No I can't.
There's a thread about it here on REF.
Tom

interesting.
You said "They sent out a letter letting newcomers know that the standards there were more important than student's wishes to be protected from reality."
and yet completely failed to mention the whole "U of C gave every student a blanket trigger warning. It covered every class, every meeting, every lecture, everything." in that post, when the post you replied to was about the trigger warning and not some Go F Yourself letter....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I just don't get the level of insensitivity. For various reasons, some subjects are difficult for some people. In my case, it was a TV show that hit a very fresh and very deep wound. It had nothing to do with me being weak, but haven been a human being that was very hurt. As for trigger warnings, they are really, literally, no different than content advisories on TV shows, movies, video games, and certain books.
And, let's be realistic, the amount of classes this would apply to would be minuscule, with probably the bulk majority of them being major-specific (such as criminal justice or psychology, in which you will have to be prepared for stuff like that), or interchangeable General Ed philosophy and English courses.

 

[columbus]

And, let's be realistic, the amount of classes this would apply to would be minuscule, with probably the bulk majority of them being major-specific (such as criminal justice or psychology, in which you will have to be prepared for stuff like that), or interchangeable General Ed philosophy and English courses.

So why shift the responsibility onto teachers? They cannot be certain what problems each and every student might possibly have. The students should take responsibility for their own issues.
Tom

 

[McBell]

So why shift the responsibility onto teachers? They cannot be certain what problems each and every student might possibly have. The students should take responsibility for their own issues.
Tom

Wht are you talking about?
Who said anything about shifting burden?
I mean, besides your strawman?

Out of curiosity, do you disagree with the use of the spoiler tag here on RF?
Based upon your posts in this thread, you should be.

 

[columbus]

ht are you talking about?
Who said anything about shifting burden?
I mean, besides your strawman?

The whole point to trigger warnings is to shift responsibility onto the presenter. They are expected to know and deal with students problems instead of the students themselves.
Tom

 

[McBell]

The whole point to trigger warnings is to shift responsibility onto the presenter. They are expected to know and deal with students problems instead of the students themselves.
Tom

Bull ****.
All the teacher does is put a disclaimer in the syllabus.
That's it.

All the rest of the crap you are claiming is your strawman.

 

[columbus]

Out of curiosity, do you disagree with the use of the spoiler tag here on RF?
Based upon your posts in this thread, you should be.

Personally I don't much care for spoiler tags, unless an image is so big the file causes a problem for my dinky phone.
I understand the staff having rather different standards so I don't have a problem with them really.
Tom

 

[columbus]

Out of curiosity, do you disagree with the use of the spoiler tag here on RF?
Based upon your posts in this thread, you should be.

It just occurred to me to point this out.

I get "triggered" fairly commonly here on RF by religious people. I've had to deal with crap like "You chose to be gay because you hate god!" Puts me in mind of my best friend who blew his brains out because of people like the ones on RF.

There was a post just this evening that made me seriously consider getting an infraction point. I'm down to 1, I probably wouldn't get suspended for it.
But I didn't respond the way I wanted to.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So why shift the responsibility onto teachers? They cannot be certain what problems each and every student might possibly have. The students should take responsibility for their own issues.
Tom

To some extent, there should be some trigger warnings. When I took a class on creative non-fiction, Hell's Angels by Hunter S. Thompson was part of the assigned readings, and it does include a very graphic rape scene. The teacher did warn of this, and didn't require the chapter that has it be read, but as far as I know there is nothing that requires him to do so. I had another teacher, her freshman ethics course includes videos of graphic violence from war zones, and other images of violence, and she does include a waiver with the class warning students of the content. You can't reasonable expect a teacher to know everything that someone may find troubling, but at the same time there are some easy ones to predict.

 

[columbus]

Then there's the abortion thing.
I was conceived in Revoltistan in 1958. Traverse City to be precise. Had I been conceived in 1978, I would have wound up in a dumpster behind the hospital.
But @Revoltingest doesn't think there's enuf abortions.

We all have our little issues.

Tom

 

[Sapiens]

There a plenty of student run class rating booklets. If the students feel they need it, the students can easily enough provide it for themselves. I am all for that.

 

[Acim]

Upon further consideration, I don't see how the case is made that maintaining TW's doesn't prepare one for real life. At first, I agreed with idea that TW's aren't found in real life, therefore why use them here. But this stuff doesn't really come up after college. Not like work place is going to present opportunity for triggers. And outside of that, it would probably be not much different than social life on campuses. Meaning triggers could come up, but would be a fluke, really.

But all this, to me, depends on how absurd the triggers are (allowed to be). If strictly PTSD type stuff, I really don't see that coming up post college life, but in rare instances, where it wouldn't be different than college life outside of classes. Again, depends on how absurd the triggers are, and currently that strikes me as subjective. Like the archaeology example earlier in the thread strikes me as absurd, but for one that has some sort of extreme fear of that imagery, I'm guessing it is not absurd.

I do find the topic fascinating and do wonder how different my education experience, as a student, would've been had this been occurring from my first time entering a school? Which to me, is another consideration as I'm guessing all reading this thread didn't have TW protocol in place and seemingly we had little to no issue completing classes.

Still not seeing much rationale for TW's to be considered mandatory, which really is the premise of this thread. Some of us are still coming to terms with why allow TW's at all, but the issue in OP is about having them be mandatory, and IMO, if that occurs, the doors to absurdity suddenly open up. How wide? That remains to be seen.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then there's the abortion thing.
I was conceived in Revoltistan in 1958. Traverse City to be precise. Had I been conceived in 1978, I would have wound up in a dumpster behind the hospital.
But @Revoltingest doesn't think there's enuf abortions.

We all have our little issues.

Tom

There are too many people in the world.
I'm sure all would agree that one less Revoltingest would be no problem.

 

[Quintessence]

What in the world does this have to do with hypersensitivity to adverse events?

Yes or no, please.

Do you believe education should be equal opportunity?

 

[Quintessence]

I don't think education should be watered down to the lowest common denominator.

That's not where I'm going with this, just so you know.

 

[Perditus]

Yes or no, please.

Do you believe education should be equal opportunity?

No. It should be based on merit after K-12.