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Trinity: True or False?
Trinity: True or False?
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Trinity: True or False?
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Cooky
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If you look at the doctrine of theosis, and the deification of the soul, it might not be hard to imagine that each Christian would become God too as we enter into everlasting friendship and eternal love with him.
...So it's not hard to imagine an all loving God willing to share Himself, in all his glory, as the most profound act of love imaginable... Whether it be with the Holy Spirit, Jesus, or even, dare I say, yourself!
2 Corinthians 3:17–18
WalterTrull
Godfella
Aspects, dude, aspects
Redemptionsong
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I like what I'm reading on your web site, but I'm interested to know more about your understanding of the Holy Spirit in relation to Jesus. Do you believe that Jesus walked by the Holy Spirit from birth?
Unveiled Artist
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I don't know if you're saying trinity is polytheism or not, but I understand both views. The reason they say jesus is god is because incarnations in many religions are not separated from the source. In many times it "is" their source and treated as such since being an incarnation (in the flesh) doesn't devalue the nature of the source-what it is an incarnation of. So, that's why jesus is god is because they see the incarnation and the source as one. It's not polytheism.
On another note, many other christians see the incarnation separate from the source because of not only the nature-perfect spirit and imperfect flesh can't mix-but also how it interacts with people and the nature of its teachings as an incarnation (and said of oneself as such). It's not polytheism. Strict monotheism.
In both cases they are monotheism just one has an incarnation of the source and the other sees the incarnation speaking for the source. Either or, it might be polytheism unless one said jesus is god without scripture literally stating his incarnation and suggestions thereof.
Actually cannot be determined to be neither true nor false. It is simply a traditional Christian description of the nature of God and the relationship between God humanity and Creation from the human perspective. Though God cannot be definitively determined from the human perspective.
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WalterTrull
Godfella
Uhm... sorry. Talking about the Trinity
Yes He was led of the Holy Spirit from birth:
Matthew 1:20-21 But when he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. (21) And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.
Jesus greater infilling took place at the age of 30 when He began teaching and miraculous signs and wonders through the Holy Spirit:
Luke 3:21-23 Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that, Jesus also having been baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, (22) and the Holy Spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son: in thee I am well pleased. (23) And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
John 11:47 The chief priests therefore and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many signs.
Trinity is not polytheism but one God of three persons whereas the thesis of my link proves our Father is the Most High God whereas Jesus is our God under Him.
The traditions of men often leads to heresy:
Mark 7:7-9 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men. (8) Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men. (9) And he said unto them, Full well do ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition.
This describes tritheism three separate and distinct persons with Jesus Christ seated on the right hand of God, which is indeed a form of polytheism
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I see it both ways. It all hinges on the definition of incarnation. Is it the source or is it a mirror image of the source? Does it represent the source? Does it has it's own edict and purpose?
I think people who say jesus is god are thinking unity not trinity.
Well I must admit I am not up on all the different terms the world uses to describe the relationship of Gods but I simply derive truth from our Father's Word alone:
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: (17) that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
Yes Jesus is in complete unity with our Father as we all must be in our worship of Him:
Psalm 82 ~ the congregation of God
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
You're worshiping a person of flesh not a being of spirit.
Jesus pointed to himself as the Way To god. In other words, if you look at him as a bridge between humans and god, you wouldn't worship the bridge you walk on but the destination to whom that bridge leads.
stvdv
Veteran Member
There is a trinity in Christianity and also in Hinduism. So, at least some consistency there. Whether true or not is beyond my knowledge.
We will be worshiping both the Son and our Father:
Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; (10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth, (11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Our Father will teach those willing to learn:
John 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.