trinity???

[Booko]

Quite right... the Monophysite heresy.

Ah, thank you! I got as far as the "M" and then my memory failed me. I used to have a mind -- now I have children.

to Hanif:

The Qu'ran might be your holy book, but something written 500 years after the death of Christ and not considered of divine origin (by a Christian) is hardly evidence to us.

Actually, I don't believe in the trinity either, but neither do I believe that Jesus was just another human like the rest of us. While obviously He was here in human form, I fall short of saying He was exactly the same as God.

Personally, I think I have about as much chance of understanding the nature of Jesus in its details than my cat has of understanding me. <shrug>

But as you said to Hanif, there's no point my quoting my scriptures to you, except to explain my pov, because you don't accept my books as scripture either.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

first of all, jesus never showed his mother as a god, this is an error in the quran (which is 1 reason im not a muslim). there is no historical evidence or evidence of the bible that this is true that mary is a god

 

[Ody]

first of all, jesus never showed his mother as a god, this is an error in the quran (which is 1 reason im not a muslim). there is no historical evidence or evidence of the bible that this is true that mary is a god

Nor is there evidence for jesus! or G-d!

 

[Booko]

first of all, jesus never showed his mother as a god, this is an error in the quran (which is 1 reason im not a muslim). there is no historical evidence or evidence of the bible that this is true that mary is a god

Please remember that the Qu'ran, like the Gospels, were not spoken in a vacuum.

There is a huge context you're missing here. Muhammad was not making the point that Jesus somehow said His mother was a God.

Learn the context, and you'll see the point.

You know, LR, reading a work out of context is a very dangerous thing to do. Do you know how many cultures had contact with Christianity and thought the Eucharist actually was a cannibalistic ceremony? I mean "This is my blood..." sheesh that would be so easy to misunderstand, wouldn't it?

Please don't make the same mistake with someone else's Book as people in the past have done with yours.

 

[hanif]

first of all, jesus never showed his mother as a god, this is an error in the quran (which is 1 reason im not a muslim). there is no historical evidence or evidence of the bible that this is true that mary is a god

IT IS NOT ERROR OF KORAN.THIS IS ERROR OF YOU.
OF COURSE JESUS NEVER SAID ME AND MY MOTHER IS AGOD.
BUT CATHOLICS SAYS MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD.AND WE CAN PRAY TO HIM.THIS MEANS CATHOLICS BELIEVE MARY AS A GOD.
THERE IS NO ERROR IN ISLAM.

 

[jewscout]

IT IS NOT ERROR OF KORAN.THIS IS ERROR OF YOU.
OF COURSE JESUS NEVER SAID ME AND MY MOTHER IS AGOD.
BUT CATHOLICS SAYS MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD.AND WE CAN PRAY TO HIM.THIS MEANS CATHOLICS BELIEVE MARY AS A GOD.
THERE IS NO ERROR IN ISLAM.

this is based upon your own personal beliefs and opinions

not on fact!

 

[hanif]

When You Will Die You Will See The Real.

 

[jewscout]

When You Will Die You Will See The Real.

again another statement of personal belief and opinion

i guess "to each their own" is lossed in islam?

 

[hanif]

God Is Real.he Is Not Imagine.and Koran Is His Book.it Is Not Only My Opinion It Is Real.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

IT IS NOT ERROR OF KORAN.THIS IS ERROR OF YOU.
OF COURSE JESUS NEVER SAID ME AND MY MOTHER IS AGOD.
BUT CATHOLICS SAYS MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD.AND WE CAN PRAY TO HIM.THIS MEANS CATHOLICS BELIEVE MARY AS A GOD.
THERE IS NO ERROR IN ISLAM.

mother of god does not mean she is a god. you really are off, as well sa the qurans teachings on this

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

and yes there is error in many religions. you shouldnt say you religion simply has no error

 

[Booko]

IT IS NOT ERROR OF KORAN.THIS IS ERROR OF YOU.
OF COURSE JESUS NEVER SAID ME AND MY MOTHER IS AGOD.
BUT CATHOLICS SAYS MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD.AND WE CAN PRAY TO HIM.THIS MEANS CATHOLICS BELIEVE MARY AS A GOD.
THERE IS NO ERROR IN ISLAM.

No, Catholics do not believe this.

It's more likely that the practice of Christians in Arabia resembled that.

This has nothing to do with Christianity today.

And btw, the Christians in Arabia were largely considered heretics by the rest of Christianity. So if they did something off, you can't tag all of Christianity thoughout time with their error.

All this means is that Muhammad was speaking to his audience about the world they knew in thems they would understand.

Doing that does not make the Qu'ran "wrong" as some would have us believe. And it doesn't mean all of Christianity worships Mary as a God either.

I know you do not appreciate people spreading nonsense about Islam, but please try not to do the same to the Christians around here. It isn't just, and they don't appreciate it either.

 

[jewscout]

God Is Real.he Is Not Imagine.and Koran Is His Book.it Is Not Only My Opinion It Is Real.

it is real because you believe it to be,
but it is not universal for all.

 

[James the Persian]

The Theotokos (Mary) is not part of the Trinity despite the fact that many Muslims (I believe caused by an error in the Koran) think that she is. The title Theotokos, often translated as Mother of God but better translated as Bearer (in the sense of pregnancy) of God, is not a Mariological statement but a Christological one. It is confirmation that the child she bore (Christ) was truly God and was given her in an effort to combat heresies that denied the divinity of Christ. Nobody, not even those of us like the RCs and Orthodox who have a great devotion to the Theotokos, consider her in any way to be divine so it seems that this entire thread is a straw man. You are arguing against a Muslim misconception of what Christianity teaches rather than what Christian teaching, in fact, is.

James

 

[hanif]

catholics say to mary mother of god.
there is no error in islam GODS RELIGION.

 

[jewscout]

catholics say to mary mother of god.
there is no error in islam GODS RELIGION.

no error in islam?
for some reason...i don't buy that...:areyoucra

 

[Booko]

no error in islam?
for some reason...i don't buy that...:areyoucra

There me be no error in Islam as Muhammad taught it.

But there is plenty of room for error in what we fallible humans make of it. You don't have to look further than this thread to see it.

 

[Squirt]

and yes there is error in many religions. you shouldnt say you religion simply has no error

Just curious, Lord Roghen... Would you say that the religion Jesus Christ established was also flawed to some respect? I'm not referring to Christianity as it exists today. I'm thinking about when Jesus said, "Upon this rock I will build my Church." Was the Church he built, the one He entrusted to the Apostles He chose also in error?

 

[James the Persian]

catholics say to mary mother of god.
there is no error in islam GODS RELIGION.

What is your problem with this title? Did you not understand what I wrote above? Mother of God does not imply in any way that Mary is a god, merely that Christ is Divine. I know you will dispute this latter idea also, but currently you are barking up the wrong tree. The Koran is quite clearly in error when it suggests that the Trinity in Christianity is God, Christ and Mary , rather than Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As far as I can see that either means that your God is able to err or (my personal view, as I don't believe God can err) that the Koran is the writing of a fallible man and not the direct dictation of God. There is, at least, this one error in Islam (given that you believe the Koran is infallible) and from our point of view there are many others, though few are so easy to prove as this one.

James

 

[hanif]

KORAN NEVER SAID TRINITY IS GOD MARY AND JESUS.BUT YOU HAVENT INTELLIGENT SO YOU CANT UNDERSTAND IT.
TRINITY CAME FROM POLYTHEISM.SO CHRISTIANITY IS POLYTHEISM.
THERE IS A LOT OF MISTAKES IN YOUR BIBLE.
JACOB WRESTLED WITH GOD AND WIN HIM.GOD WALKS IN THE GARDEN.(GENESIS)
OLD TESTAMENT IS FULL OF WRONGS.AND NEW TESTAMENT SUGGEST POLYTHEISM.
YOU SAY 1+1+1=1 GOD AND JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.
SO YOU REALY SAY THERE IS THREE GOD AND YOU ARE PLYTHEIST.AND KONW THIS THERE IS NO ERROR IN KORAN ERROR IS IN THE BIBLE.
72.Certainly they disbelieve who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_verse_recommend.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=73http://www.mobiquran.com/http://www.kuran.gen.tr/pop_sura_arapca.php?kid=14&sid=5&ayet_no=73http://www.mobiquran.com/73.They disbelieved who say: Allah is one of three (in a Trinity): for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous chastisement will befall the disbelievers among them.