True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

[Brian2]

Nothing about Carmel?
You miss the truth of the Bible by a mile. The Bible is the best proof of who Baha'u'llah was.

But you said that the messengers were the best proof for who they are.

"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."(Isaiah 35:1)

“It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.”(Isaiah 35:2)

That is saying that the wilderness and solitary place and desert shall blossom and rejoice and they shall see the glory of Lebanon and excellency of Carmel and Sharon, the glory of the LORD and excellency of God.
Carmel and Sharon and Lebanon are lush and fertile places and the wilderness and desert shall become like them.
IOW it is not saying that Carmel and Sharon will bloom and become lush. Carmel and Sharon were already lush.

"And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away." (Isaiah 35:10).

The highway shall lead to Zion, not to Carmel.

"And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious." (Isaiah 11:10).

Look earlier in Isa 11 and you will see that this root is Jesus, the one to whom the Father has given all judgement.

“Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel.” (Micah 7:14)

What can I say, Carmel is mentioned a few times in the Bible. When it is mentioned it does not show anything about Baha'u'llah however.

"Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain." (Zechariah 8:3).

Yes it is Zion and Jerusalem.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

I do think it is possible for the Baha'i Faith to catch on, but then what? If they ever became the majority in the world or even in a nation, how would it work? Would Baha'is have a secular government along side their National Spiritual Assembly? Either way, they could vote in people that would legislate Baha'i laws. And then, how would those laws, "God's laws", actually work? I don't know if any place the followed the laws of any religion had much success. I think religious laws are too strict to work for all people.

According to the Bahai concept in the year 2852 they will have the big problem of being able to identify a true messenger with a new set of laws. There will be multiple claimants each with different laws. So even if the whole world became Bahai everyone would have to stop being Bahai and everyone would have to agree exactly who the new messenger is and everyone has to change to their new laws.

Its the same problem Bahai are having trying to show a claimant Baha'u'llah is a new messenger with new laws. Not everyone agrees so its not really catching on.

 

[Brian2]

That is hilarious. Baha'u'llah did not change the meaning of these words, He clarified the meaning of these words.

The meaning of "clouds" and "resurrection" was already known.

You can need anything you want to need but please bear in mind it is completely illogical to base your entire belief on a few verses from Acts which were not spoken by Jesus. People can believe anything that they want to believe but that does not make it true.

You like to think that you have narrowed it down to a few verses in Acts 1 which plainly say that it is 'the same Jesus' the disciples saw ascending, and then throw dirt at those verses as if that makes those verses untrue.
However Jesus plainly said that he would return (John 14:3, 14:28, Matthew 25:31-46 as the Son of Man who is judging the earth --- Jesus having been given all judgement--and other places) and throughout the New Testament also it is plainly Jesus who is to return and all you can say it that those places are not true because Baha'u'llah claims to be the return of Christ.
A good example is Rev 1:7 where we are told that "every eye will see Him" and you want to say that Jesus said that people will ever again see Jesus.
The last 2 verses of the Bible say:
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
You end up denying the truth of all the New Testament except the words of Jesus on this subject, even though it is Jesus speaking in Rev 22:20.
And even in the gospels you deny the words of Jesus when He tells us He is going to come back and judge everyone and raise everyone from the dead etc.

It does not matter what the Bible says since it was written by fallible men....
Jesus never said that Jesus will return, and that is all that matters.

It does not matter what Baha'u'llah said because he is a false prophet. He causes Baha'is to say that the Bible is not true.
And Jesus did say that He would return. Denying it changes nothing. It's there right in your face and you deny it. Maybe you are under some magic spell that causes you to not be able to see certain things even when they are right in front of you.

Why would Baha'u'llah do what Jesus already did?

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

It would be nice if he was able to do anything that the returned Jesus is meant to do.

Jesus warned of false Messiahs and false Christs because He knew there would be many, but Jesus never said that He was going to return to earth.
When Jesus was asked what would be the sign of His coming he eluded the question since Jesus never planned to return to earth.
It's so obvious to anyone who isn't a Christian who has been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that the same Jesus will return

Matthew 24
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The disciples knew that Jesus had told them that He was going to come, so they asked Him about it.
Ask anyone about it except another Baha'i.

 

[Pete in Panama]

The meaning of "clouds" and "resurrection" was already known....

Sorry about coming in here late but this comment piqued my interest. There are a number of definitions of both "clouds" and "resurrection" but what's important (to me) is what your take is. Could you please tell me what meaning you understand from a passage in the Bible that uses these words?

 

[Trailblazer]

But you said that the messengers were the best proof for who they are.

They are the best proof for anyone but Christians who need the Bible prophecies as proof.

That is saying that the wilderness and solitary place and desert shall blossom and rejoice and they shall see the glory of Lebanon and excellency of Carmel and Sharon, the glory of the LORD and excellency of God.
Carmel and Sharon and Lebanon are lush and fertile places and the wilderness and desert shall become like them.
IOW it is not saying that Carmel and Sharon will bloom and become lush. Carmel and Sharon were already lush.

"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."(Isaiah 35:1)

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Carmel is mentioned in Isaiah 35:2, which describes a time when the deserts will be as green as the mountains of Lebanon, and as lovely as Mount Carmel. The verse reads:

• NIV: "It will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon".

The highway shall lead to Zion, not to Carmel.

Isaiah 35:10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

The verse does not say 'come to Mount Zion.' It says 'come to Zion.'

Zion is a specific, historically important location — the name refers to both a hill in the city of Jerusalem and to the city itself — but it's also used in a general way to mean "holy place" or "kingdom of heaven." The root of Zion is the Hebrew Tsiyon, and while the word holds a special importance in the Jewish faith ...
Zion - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com

In the Hebrew Bible, Zion is used to refer to the Land of Israel as a whole

Look earlier in Isa 11 and you will see that this root is Jesus, the one to whom the Father has given all judgement.

Isaiah 11 is not about Jesus.

What can I say, Carmel is mentioned a few times in the Bible. When it is mentioned it does not show anything about Baha'u'llah however.

It shows that Baha'u'llah was the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.

"The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."(Isaiah 35:1)
“It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.”(Isaiah 35:2)

Yes it is Zion and Jerusalem.

Zechariah 8

Again the word of the Lord of hosts came to me, saying,

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.

3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.

4 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.

As the Lord of hosts, Baha'u'llah fulfilled all these prophecies.

 

[Brian2]

Since there is that prophecy that Baha'is use that does mention Mt. Carmel, then why wouldn't it be clear in that other prophecy? Why make it so confusing?

So, let's see if I got this right... God meant Mt. Carmel but said Mt. Zion, but didn't worry about it, because he new hundreds of years later Baha'u'llah would clear things up, and tell us the "true" meaning. Sounds more like pulling a switcheroo, because Baha'u'llah never had anything to do with Mt. Zion or Jerusalem.

How how are we supposed to judge fairly? If it don't add up, if it don't make sense, then maybe Baha'is are just making things up? Why would just trust them that the meanings have been changed? Like "woes" means manifestations, Achor means Akka, and in one, when it says he or they will come to you from Assyria, Assyria is changed to Persia, because Persia was once part of the Assyrian Empire. Which would be like saying the U.S. is England, because it was once part of their empire?

But I marvel on their creativity.

I marvel at their naivety (or the naivety of those who know the Bible and still become Baha'i.)
They actually must first believe that Baha'u'llah is whom he claims to be or they would not just accept his claims that the description of the returning Jesus in the Bible is false and it really won't be Jesus. They believe the potential con man (potential false Christ) to tell them what the Bible prophecies actually mean.

 

[Trailblazer]

The meaning of "clouds" and "resurrection" was already known.

No, the true meaning was never known until Baha'u'llah explained the meaning.

You like to think that you have narrowed it down to a few verses in Acts 1 which plainly say that it is 'the same Jesus' the disciples saw ascending, and then throw dirt at those verses as if that makes those verses untrue.
However Jesus plainly said that he would return (John 14:3, 14:28, Matthew 25:31-46 as the Son of Man who is judging the earth ---

No, Jesus never said that He was going to return, and that is why He has not returned and never will.

A good example is Rev 1:7 where we are told that "every eye will see Him" and you want to say that Jesus said that people will ever again see Jesus.
The last 2 verses of the Bible say:
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

That is just the author of Revelation beckoning Jesus to come, it is not Jesus saying He will come.

It does not matter what Baha'u'llah said because he is a false prophet. He causes Baha'is to say that the Bible is not true.

It matters what Baha'u'llah said because he is a true prophet. He unlocked the TRUE meaning if the Bible.

And Jesus did say that He would return. Denying it changes nothing.

NOWHERE in the entire New Testament did Jesus ever say He was going to return. Saying Jesus will return changes nothing.

Jesus said he was NO MORE in the world. Sorry that you cannot face reality, but you will find out after you die and Jesus tells you.
Till then, you can continue to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait, along with the other Christians.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

It would be nice if he was able to do anything that the returned Jesus is meant to do.

Baha'u'llah has done everything that Jesus promised that the Comforter and Spirit of truth would do.

The disciples knew that Jesus had told them that He was going to come, so they asked Him about it.
Ask anyone about it except another Baha'i.

Show me one verse where Jesus said He was going to return to earth.

 

[Brian2]

As the Lord of hosts, Baha'u'llah fulfilled all these prophecies.

"Lord of Hosts" is actually "Yahweh of Hosts".
Now it seems that Baha'u'llah is not only the Ancient of Days but is also Yahweh.

 

[Brian2]

Show me one verse where Jesus said He was going to return to earth.

I keep doing that.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Sorry about coming in here late but this comment piqued my interest. There are a number of definitions of both "clouds" and "resurrection" but what's important (to me) is what your take is. Could you please tell me what meaning you understand from a passage in the Bible that uses these words?

If you would also like to see another take on the word "cloud" from the Bible I was talking about it earlier.

Here:

I can show you why the cloud is as a chariot:

The cloud is a chariot:
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: Psalm.

The chariot of Ephraim:
And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.


As a cloud, as a dove:
Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

Ephraim the dove:
Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart: they call to Egypt, they go to Assyria. Hosea.


Cloud and arrows:
The clouds poured out water: the skies sent out a sound: thine arrows also went abroad. Psalm.

Ephraim with bow:
The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle.


In Exodus it talks about being guided by both a cloud, and a fire. And there are chariots of fire.

And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 2 Kings.


The chariot is both a cloud and a fire in the place of the mountain.

Do I have to show you more verses to further confirm it? I can do that.


There is cloud in the place of the Sun:
And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. Ezekiel:

As cloud is also in the place of the mountain:
"And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount".

Same place:

Moon - Star - Sun
Desert - Wilderness - Mountain

Am I not being clear in what I am saying?


Edit:
I am going to show you another verse and bring this back to the word chariot.

As I have already shown you chariots and mountain. I will show you chariots of the Sun

And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the Lord, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which was in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. 2 Kings.

So you can consider this logic:

There are chariots of the sun, and there are chariots of the mountain.

And the cloud is in the place of the sun, and in the place of the mountain.

Therefore the cloud is as a chariot.

So the cloud is as a chariot because they are both words that share the same position. Same position as the other Bible words I am showing Ephraim, Dove, Bow, Sun, and Mountain etc. They are lawfully interchangeable words because they are words of the same position.

 

[Trailblazer]

"Lord of Hosts" is actually "Yahweh of Hosts".
Now it seems that Baha'u'llah is not only the Ancient of Days but is also Yahweh.

The Lord of Hosts in just a title. It refers to a manifestation of God. It is not a claim to be God.

“The fear of God is the shield that defendeth His Cause, the buckler that enableth His people to attain to victory. It is a standard that no man can abase, a force that no power can rival. By its aid, and by the leave of Him Who is the Lord of Hosts, they that have drawn nigh unto God have been able to subdue and conquer the citadels of the hearts of men.”
(Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 272)

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The Lord of Hosts is a title for God in the Bible that refers to God's power, strength, and authority over the universe and armies of heaven:

God of armies: The Lord of Hosts is often associated with battle settings.
God of angels: The Lord of Hosts is surrounded by angels who call out, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts".
God's strength and power: The title conveys God's military power and strength, and that he is superior to all else.

The title appears in the Bible almost 250 times, and is usually translated as "Yahweh Sabaoth". It first appears in 1 Samuel 1:11, when Hannah prays for a son. The phrase "the day of the Lord of hosts" is first used in Isaiah 2:12.

 

[Trailblazer]

I keep doing that.

I am still waiting for just one verse spoken by Jesus, but I guess I am going to be waiting until hell freezes over.

 

[Brian2]

King of Kings and Lord of Lords is not a title that applies to Jesus so there is no takeover.

Sorry, Rev 19:11-16 does not say that the guy on the white horse leading the armies of heaven is The Word and is also the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. YOU are the one who is saying that.

Rev 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.
12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

He judges the earth like the guy in Psalm 2, the Son of God in Psalm 2 who inherits the nations and rules over them forever like the child of Isa 9 who sits on the throne of David forever like Jesus (Luke 1:32) and has sovereign power like the guy in Daniel 7:13,14 and all power and authority like Jesus (Matthew 28:18)
You should probably read the Bible quotes to see what they say. Then maybe you will see that Baha'u'llah and Baha'i are claiming stuff for Baha'u'llah which already belong to Jesus according to the Bible.
False prophets lie.
The Spirit of Truth, the Advocate is plainly, according to the plain English translations and logic, the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost, and cannot be Baha'u'llah because Baha'u'llah could not dwell with and in the disciples of Jesus of 2000 years ago and could not remind them of what Jesus had told them.

 

[Brian2]

I am still waiting for just one verse spoken by Jesus, but I guess I am going to be waiting until hell freezes over.

I showed you John 14:3 and John 14:28 and John 5 (about all judgement being given to Jesus) and Matthew 25 :31-46 about the Son of Man coming and judging all people. I showed you Rev 22:20. I must also have shown you more things that Jesus spoke, saying that He would be coming back.

 

[Brian2]

Sorry about coming in here late but this comment piqued my interest. There are a number of definitions of both "clouds" and "resurrection" but what's important (to me) is what your take is. Could you please tell me what meaning you understand from a passage in the Bible that uses these words?

Clouds in these passages means the clouds of heaven which we all can see by looking up.
Acts 1:9-11, Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7, 1Thess 4:16-17 etc
Resurrection means the coming back to life of a person who has died or been killed.
Luke 9:22, Matthew 28:6, John 2:19-22 etc

 

[Trailblazer]

Rev 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.
12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

We already know that John of Patmos believed that it was Jesus who would return, but so what? That means nothing except that he was wrong.
The person who wrote Acts 1:11 was also wrong.

The Bible is not inerrant since it was written by fallible men.
Only the writings of a messenger of God are inerrant, but we only have original writings from two messengers, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

He judges the earth like the guy in Psalm 2, the Son of God in Psalm 2 who inherits the nations and rules over them forever like the child of Isa 9 who sits on the throne of David forever like Jesus (Luke 1:32) and has sovereign power like the guy in Daniel 7:13,14 and all power and authority like Jesus (Matthew 28:18)

Jesus will do none of that since Jesus is not going to return to this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

False prophets lie.

True prophets never lie.

The Spirit of Truth, the Advocate is plainly, according to the plain English translations and logic, the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost, and cannot be Baha'u'llah because Baha'u'llah could not dwell with and in the disciples of Jesus of 2000 years ago and could not remind them of what Jesus had told them.

We have already covered this numerous times. I could prove my points again but I am not going to waste any more time.

You are free to keep believing whatever you want to believe. It is your eternal life that is at stake, not mine.
I am covered because I believe in both Jesus and Baha'u'llah.

 

[Brian2]

The Lord of Hosts in just a title. It refers to a manifestation of God. It is not a claim to be God.

“The fear of God is the shield that defendeth His Cause, the buckler that enableth His people to attain to victory. It is a standard that no man can abase, a force that no power can rival. By its aid, and by the leave of Him Who is the Lord of Hosts, they that have drawn nigh unto God have been able to subdue and conquer the citadels of the hearts of men.”
(Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 272)

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The Lord of Hosts is a title for God in the Bible that refers to God's power, strength, and authority over the universe and armies of heaven:

God of armies: The Lord of Hosts is often associated with battle settings.
God of angels: The Lord of Hosts is surrounded by angels who call out, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts".
God's strength and power: The title conveys God's military power and strength, and that he is superior to all else.

The title appears in the Bible almost 250 times, and is usually translated as "Yahweh Sabaoth". It first appears in 1 Samuel 1:11, when Hannah prays for a son. The phrase "the day of the Lord of hosts" is first used in Isaiah 2:12.

Yahweh of Hosts is a title for God, yes just as Ancient of Days is a title for God.

 

[Brian2]

We already know that John of Patmos believed that it was Jesus who would return, but so what? That means nothing except that he was wrong.
The person who wrote Acts 1:11 was also wrong.

The Bible is not inerrant since it was written by fallible men.
Only the writings of a messenger of God are inerrant, but we only have original writings from two messengers, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

OK so you need to say that the Bible is wrong so that you can say that the Bab and Baha'u'llah are Messengers.
And even that term and it's definition is something that Baha'i/Baha'u'llah has made up and contradicts who the Bible says that Jesus is and that Adam is and the Abraham is and that Moses is and that Noah is.
So basically Baha'u'llah is claiming with his message about who he is, that the whole Bible is completely wrong.
That is what false prophets do, they tell us lies, just as the serpent in Eden told Eve that God had lied to them.

 

[Brian2]

We already know that John of Patmos believed that it was Jesus who would return, but so what? That means nothing except that he was wrong.
The person who wrote Acts 1:11 was also wrong.

The Bible is not inerrant since it was written by fallible men.
Only the writings of a messenger of God are inerrant, but we only have original writings from two messengers, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Thanks for the chat I have to do other things now.

 

[Trailblazer]

I showed you John 14:3 and John 14:28 and John 5 (about all judgement being given to Jesus) and Matthew 25 :31-46 about the Son of Man coming and judging all people. I showed you Rev 22:20. I must also have shown you more things that Jesus spoke, saying that He would be coming back.

John 14:2-3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus was going to heaven to prepare a place for His disciples.

How could Jesus come back to earth and take His disciples to heaven now? His disciples are no longer on earth.

When Jesus said “I will come again” He was not referring to coming back to earth again. Jesus said that His work was finished here and He was no more in the world: (John 14:19, John 16:10, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30)

John 14:2-3 is Jesus speaking to His disciples.. When Jesus said “I will come again” He was not talking about His physical body returning to earth, He was referring to His Spirit coming again in the future, which it did, in Baha'u'llah, who was the return of the Christ spirit with a new name (Isaiah 62:2, Revelation 2:17, Revelation 3:12)

Jesus said to the disciples “I will come again, and receive you unto myself” Jesus knew He was going to heaven, and He was telling His disciples that He would prepare a place for them in heaven so they could be with Him in heaven -- that where I am, there ye may be also.

If Jesus returned to earth now, the disciples could not 'receive Jesus' since the disciples are no longer living on earth.

John 14:3 is one of the most misunderstood verses in the New Testament so it is no wonder the Bible commentaries do not agree on what it means.
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John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Same thing as above. Jesus was addressing His disciples I go away, and come again unto you. We know that Jesus did not return to this world during the lifetimes of His disciples. If Jesus returned to earth now He could not come to His disciples since they are no longer living on earth.
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John 5 (about all judgement being given to Jesus) only refers to the Dispensation of Jesus. It has nothing to do with His returning.
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Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

That verse is about the return of the Son of Man coming in the clouds, and that is exactly what has happened.

Son of man coming in the the clouds means that the return of Christ will appear in the form of another human being. The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that are contrary to the ways and desires of men. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, these things hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

In other words, the judgment of most people was clouded when Christ returned and it is still clouded for most people.
One thing that clouds the judgment of Christians is their desire for the same Jesus to return to earth.
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Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

If Jesus said that Surely I come quickly then Jesus lied, unless you consider over 2000 years to be quickly.
We already know that John of Patmos believed that Jesus would come, so he beckoned Jesus to come, but that proves nothing.