True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

[Trailblazer]

Yahweh of Hosts is a title for God, yes just as Ancient of Days is a title for God.

So what? Baha'u'llah never claimed to be God, He disclaimed it, and that is all that matters.

“Certain ones among you have said: “He it is Who hath laid claim to be God.” By God! This is a gross calumny. I am but a servant of God Who hath believed in Him and in His signs, and in His Prophets and in His angels. My tongue, and My heart, and My inner and My outer being testify that there is no God but Him, that all others have been created by His behest, and been fashioned through the operation of His Will. There is none other God but Him, the Creator, the Raiser from the dead, the Quickener, the Slayer. I am He that telleth abroad the favors with which God hath, through His bounty, favored Me. If this be My transgression, then I am truly the first of the transgressors. I and My kindred are at your mercy. Do ye as ye please, and be not of them that hesitate, that I might return to God My Lord, and reach the place where I can no longer behold your faces. This, indeed, is My dearest wish, My most ardent desire. Of My state God is, verily, sufficiently informed, observant.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 219-232

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

It sounds like Jesus is not talking about himself ruling the nations with a rod of iron. It does seem like he is talking about someone else. There is usually a difference between saying "I" as in meaning himself and saying "he" and "him" as in meaning someone else.

"And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

And I will give him the morning star".

 

[Trailblazer]

OK so you need to say that the Bible is wrong so that you can say that the Bab and Baha'u'llah are Messengers.
And even that term and it's definition is something that Baha'i/Baha'u'llah has made up and contradicts who the Bible says that Jesus is and that Adam is and the Abraham is and that Moses is and that Noah is.

Whatever Baha'u'llah wrote that contradicts the Bible invalidates anything that is is written in the Bible because the Bible is not inerrant whereas Baha'u'llah was inerrant since He was a Manifestation of God and as such He was infallible.

So basically Baha'u'llah is claiming with his message about who he is, that the whole Bible is completely wrong.
That is what false prophets do, they tell us lies, just as the serpent in Eden told Eve that God had lied to them.

No, the Bible is not completely wrong, but some of it is wrong.

That is what true prophets do, tell us the truth. Sorry you don't want to hear it but you must know after all your years on this forum that Baha'is are certainly not the only ones who believe that some of the Bible is wrong. Actually, I have learned more about what is wrong in the Bible from atheists than from Baha'u'llah. How can I thank them all, there are too many of them.

 

[Trailblazer]

Thanks for the chat I have to do other things now.

Me too. I have had other things to do all along.

 

[Truthseeker]

We already know that John of Patmos believed that it was Jesus who would return, but so what? That means nothing except that he was wrong.

We know that? How?

 

[Truthseeker]

That is just the author of Revelation beckoning Jesus to come, it is not Jesus saying He will come.

You don't have to say when Jesus says He is coming back or someone else says that He is coming back as literal when arguing.

 

[Trailblazer]

We know that? How?

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[Truthseeker]

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

That doesn't necessarily mean he thought "Jesus" was literally coming back with the same body. "Jesus" can be symbolic, too.

 

[Trailblazer]

That doesn't necessarily mean he thought "Jesus" was literally coming back with the same body. "Jesus" can be symbolic, too.

I don't know what he thought but I think it was the same as Christians believe, the resurrected Jesus in the same body, barreling down from heaven through the clouds. Maybe Jesus got delayed in traffic trying to make his way through the clouds.