Trump Accuses NYT of being Fake News

[Revoltingest]

Seems like you are putting Trumps action on ignore and he has signed plenty of orders to back up the rhetoric. Kicking out more than half the press from his meetings, promoting major organizations as fake, trying to punish political opponents and siding with fascist regimes isn't enough? Is it true what trump said he could shoot someone in public and wouldn't sway his base? You have a lot of tolerance for not showing much to the other side.

I'm not ignoring him at all.
Nor is my paucity of criticism a sign of tolerance for things I dislike.
(I've posted criticisms here on RF.)
He hasn't accomplished much yet.
I just don't care for treating speculations & predictions as facts.
So if you want me to jump off the deep end with you, you'll have to wait.

 

[Stevicus]

I'm not ignoring him at all.
Nor is my paucity of criticism a sign of tolerance for things I dislike.
(I've posted criticisms here on RF.)
He hasn't accomplished much yet.
I just don't care for treating speculations & predictions as facts.
So if you want me to jump off the deep end with you, you'll have to wait.

I don't really think it's a matter of Trump himself. Even if Trump really is a fascist, then I still have enough reasonable faith and confidence in the system of checks and balances, as well as a freedom-loving, anti-authoritarian political culture, to guard against any genuine attempts at imposing a fascist regime in America. After all, there are plenty of people speaking out against him right now without any fear of repercussion or reprisal. There have been a few violent clashes between rival groups of protesters, but things have remained relatively peaceful and under control.

I do have some concern, though, regarding some of the rhetoric regarding Trump which sounds like "the sky is falling." Could stoking more fear and anger about Trump stir the pot even more? Hypothetically, if the left started kicking off and became more radical, then Trump could use that as an excuse to be granted even more power. And then he really would be a fascist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hypothetically, if the left started kicking off and became more radical, then Trump could use that as an excuse to be granted even more power. And then he really would be a fascist.

And hypothetically, the increasingly violent left might want to emulate his electoral success with fascism of a more deadly flavor.
It's possible to imagine anything.
But what's actually happening?
Not fascism.

 

[Milton Platt]

On twitter, about 45 minutes ago.

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It was only a matter of time. I was actually expecting this in about 6 months, but apparently, he blew his wad and couldn't wait to slowly and insidiously build the narrative the way Steve Bannon wants him to**.

Now one of the top paragons of investigative journalism is being accused of being "fake news."

What a claim.

If you honestly agree with the claim that Trump has made this morning, that the New York Time is "fake news", then you must tell me honestly what method you are using to determine fake from real. You must share which news outlet you watch/read on a daily basis, and provide the methodology on how you discern the difference between fake and real.

Trump seems to have a method. What is it?

If you can't substantiate this claim in any real way, then have have to admit you have sacrificed your own partisan perspective for reality, and must accept that your belief that the NYT charge of "fake news" is an irrational one.

** The first paragraph is unsubstatiated and written to be satirical. Most likely, there is no timeline, and Trump just rage-tweeted. Let me say that again, the President of the United States of America likely rage-tweeted.

Any news he disagrees with is fake news to him. can we move on now?

 

[metis]

Even if Trump really is a fascist...

I do have some concern, though, regarding some of the rhetoric regarding Trump which sounds like "the sky is falling." Could stoking more fear and anger about Trump stir the pot even more? Hypothetically, if the left started kicking off and became more radical, then Trump could use that as an excuse to be granted even more power. And then he really would be a fascist.

I think you bring up some good points here.

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that his governing style is emulating how he ran his business, namely by fiat. Even before taking office, there were some very familiar with presidential history who stated that owning and running a company may have created a habit that typically doesn't work too well in democratic politics. It's now quite obvious Trump is fulfilling what they had predicted, and it's obvious that he feels he can pretty much say anything that comes to mind and that he expects others just have to accept it.

 

[columbus]

It's now quite obvious Trump is fulfilling what they had predicted, and it's obvious that he feels he can pretty much say anything that comes to mind and that he expects others just have to accept it.

Even when it isn't true and he knows it.
In my conservative book, that's a lie. YMMV.
Tom

 

[metis]

Even when it isn't true and he knows it.
In my conservative book, that's a lie. YMMV.

But I'm pretty sure he and his groupies will call that a "fake lie".

 

[Underhill]

Trump is far from the only president I've seen who chafes at constitutional liberties.
Even much beloved Clinton was a multiple civil rights threat.
Tell you what.....
If Trump does prove to be a fascist, you can say "I told you so.".
But until it happens, I say it's low enuf probability to be deemed tin foil hat worthy.

I don't doubt he is a fascist. But the bigger problem is his instability. He reminds me of my grandmother when she was slipping into dementia. Angry at everyone, complaining constantly and saw danger behind every rock. The difference is she wasn't making calls in the situation room...

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't doubt he is a fascist.

There's a big problem with having inerrant beliefs about things not demonstrable.
If one is ever shown contrary evidence, it might be ignored (lest one be wrong).

But the bigger problem is his instability. He reminds me of my grandmother when she was slipping into dementia. Angry at everyone, complaining constantly and saw danger behind every rock. The difference is she wasn't making calls in the situation room...

Let's hope his instability is an act for negotiating purposes.

 

[Underhill]

There's a big problem with having inerrant beliefs about things not demonstrable.
If one is ever shown contrary evidence, it might be ignored (lest one be wrong).

I agree. Like your belief that Hillary would have been worse...

As for Trump and his fascist tendencies, the preponderance of evidence is in my favor. Admittedly it hasn't yet presented itself in policy form, but it's early.

Let's hope his instability is an act for negotiating purposes.

At what point do you wake up to the fact that it's never been an act? You talk about things not demonstrable... this ranks right up there. Every evidence points to him being exactly what he seems.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree. Like your belief that Hillary would have been worse...

Aye, I didn't know she'd be worse.
Twas just a guesstimation.
In a game of chance, one picks the course with the best odds
without any belief one made the ultimately correct choice.

As for Trump and his fascist tendencies, the preponderance of evidence is in my favor. Admittedly it hasn't yet presented itself in policy form, but it's early.

But you've no doubt, you say.

At what point do you wake up to the fact that it's never been an act?

You see things differently....
You reach a judgement, & then await confirmation.
I see possibilities, & watch without expectation....but with some hope that things don't go down the terlit.

You talk about things not demonstrable... this ranks right up there. Every evidence points to him being exactly what he seems.

You see what you're committed to seeing.
I see only potential for success & failure.
Either will materialize only as his term wears on.