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Trump Admits that He Fired Comey Because of Russia

Did Trump admit that he fired Comey to relieve pressure over the Russia Investigation?


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Stevicus

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So do i.
Where we seem to differ is why. I see the potential for high treason to be quite large. Putin is the autocratic leader of a country that wants to regain global superpower status. Accomplishing that will necessarily come at the expense of USA dominance. Russia is not just another country.

I don't think Russia will ever reach the same level they once were, but that aside, I don't think regaining superpower status would necessarily come at the expense of US dominance. One doesn't really have anything to do with the other - unless those in our government with chips on their shoulders want to make something out of it.

I have some room to talk about Russia here; I've been there and studied their history, language, and culture. All that "evil empire" talk has always been overblown. We were always more of a threat to them than they were to us.

Trump has already demonstrated a willingness to lie in a self serving way.

All politicians do that. Nothing new here. Maybe the people attacking him are also lying. It could be a case of lying politician vs. lying politician. Why should I take sides in that?

He has already been demonstrated to have picked top government officials with connection to Russia that are important and damaging enough to lie about. He has already been demonstrated to pass top secret information to the Russians.

We are not currently at war with Russia, and in a sense, we're already "allies" against ISIS. I see no reason to not be more cooperative with them under these circumstances. We don't want to have any accidents or near misses with our forces operating in such close proximity to each other.

So when he also starts obstructing the investigation into all this he is damning himself in a very big way. It will be impossible to prove that things aren't what they seem, treason, when he puts so much effort and political capital into quashing the various investigations.
Tom

Well, I suppose he could hang himself and do a Col. Jessup on the stand ("You can't handle the truth!"). That may be the only way to convict him.
 

Stevicus

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The press aren't being unfair. They just aren't giving him any free rides. They aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt and aren't "cutting him slack" simply because he's an amature at this game.

Trump is hardly a neophyte when it comes to dealing with the press and being in the limelight. He was well-known to the public and has had plenty of attention from the press. I couldn't even understand why Trump had gotten any coverage at all from the press decades ago. It's just like how they cover Kim Kardashian and other extremely unimportant people and make big spectacles of them. Why do they do these kinds of things?

One could even argue that the press created Trump, and now he's like Frankenstein's Monster going out of control. But he's always been their monster all along.

And, since he has treated the press far worse since he started his campaign, there is nothing unfair about it. Trump needs to learn that how he treats people will affect the way that others treat him. That is life, and it would actually be unfair if it was any other way.

Sure, I can see that. However, Trump isn't alone in being at odds with the press. A lot of people have made strong criticisms of the US media for decades now, and yet, they keep getting worse and worse.

It's just like how they're covering these events, it's like listening to Jack Webb narrating an episode of Dragnet. They're more into the drama and intrigue than any actual reportage of facts. Or as Paul Newman put it in Absence of Malice: "You don't write the truth. You write what people say. What you overhear, you eavesdrop. You don't come across truth that easy. Maybe it's just what you think, what you feel." That sums up perfectly the quality and character of American media nowadays.

Mind you, this is not a defense of Trump. To me, it's a bit of schadenfreude to see this kind of implosion among the elite factions. Trump isn't the only one going bonkers these days.
 

leibowde84

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Why do they do these kinds of things?
Money. They are only responsible to their stock holders. They air what we (as in all US TV watchers) want to see. Not their fault. If we didn't watch it, they wouldn't care about it.
One could even argue that the press created Trump, and now he's like Frankenstein's Monster going out of control. But he's always been their monster all along.
Trump pushed himself into the limelight. He's a textbook narcissist, so he craves being the story. I really think he thinks he is the most interesting person in the world. And, sadly enough, I think he honesty feels like everybody likes him.

Sure, I can see that. However, Trump isn't alone in being at odds with the press. A lot of people have made strong criticisms of the US media for decades now, and yet, they keep getting worse and worse.
I disagree. They aren't perfect, but they are responsible to their stockholders. Again, they air what the American audience wants. It's our fault, not theirs.
Mind you, this is not a defense of Trump. To me, it's a bit of schadenfreude to see this kind of implosion among the elite factions. Trump isn't the only one going bonkers these days.
Well, he certainly is making his bad situation a whole lot worse. If he just kept his mouth shut on the investigation and the whining about mistreatment, the press wouldn't have nearly as much ammunition.
 

columbus

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Trump is hardly a neophyte when it comes to dealing with the press and being in the limelight.
I think he is.
He has always been able to manipulate the press. That is not the same as being able to deal with it.
Nobody cared about his lies and corruption before. As a bush league playboy billionaire he didn't matter, except to a few people. Now he matters and is finally being held (somewhat) accountable for his behavior.
It is not going to get more comfortable for him.
Tom
 

leibowde84

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I think he is.
He has always been able to manipulate the press. That is not the same as being able to deal with it.
Nobody cared about his lies and corruption before. As a bush league playboy billionaire he didn't matter, except to a few people. Now he matters and is finally being held (somewhat) accountable for his behavior.
It is not going to get more comfortable for him.
Tom
I have to admit, it feels good that Trump is finally getting some justice. He used the media for free press during the campaign. Now they are finally holding him accountable for all of his outrageous claims. It still doesn't seem to be sticking completely, but hopefully with more time, he will get frustrated enough to resign.
 

Stevicus

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Money. They are only responsible to their stock holders. They air what we (as in all US TV watchers) want to see. Not their fault. If we didn't watch it, they wouldn't care about it.

Well, I don't watch it. I suppose it's a sad commentary on the state of the electorate, but to be sure, the media could raise the bar a little bit. As far as money is concerned, you're right - although news, in and of itself, was not really viewed as that much of a moneymaker. For the major networks, the entertainment and sports divisions were the big moneymakers.

I grew up with Walter Cronkite, who was once called the "most trusted man in America." I think that's the important thing: Trust. Especially when there's so much raised these days about "fake news."

Trump pushed himself into the limelight. He's a textbook narcissist, so he craves being the story. I really think he thinks he is the most interesting person in the world. And, sadly enough, I think he honesty feels like everybody likes him.

Yes, but that didn't mean the press had to cover him and his antics. That was their choice.

I disagree. They aren't perfect, but they are responsible to their stockholders. Again, they air what the American audience wants. It's our fault, not theirs.

That seems too pat an answer. I don't really believe it's as simple as that.

But what I meant was that there are criticisms as to what it's done to our democracy and whether or not the press can actually be trusted. Project Censored puts out lists of news stories which are apparently ignored by the mainstream media. As for their stockholders, consider where the media actually get their money from. They have sponsors from corporations which are also responsible to their stockholders.

What do American audiences really want? That's the age old question, and the competition out there is stiff. Audiences are fickle, too, so the people on the stage have to keep finding new ways to keep them entertained. We have a population with a short attention-span which can get distracted and easily bored. But I don't think we have to accept that. I'm not even entirely convinced that the movers and shakers in media really know what the audiences want. Although this might be a topic for another thread.

Well, he certainly is making his bad situation a whole lot worse. If he just kept his mouth shut on the investigation and the whining about mistreatment, the press wouldn't have nearly as much ammunition.

Well, yeah. As I mentioned above, he reminds me of Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup in A Few Good Men. Trump may be getting played at this point, since those who know which of his buttons to push can get the reaction they're looking for.
 

Stevicus

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I think he is.
He has always been able to manipulate the press. That is not the same as being able to deal with it.
Nobody cared about his lies and corruption before. As a bush league playboy billionaire he didn't matter, except to a few people. Now he matters and is finally being held (somewhat) accountable for his behavior.
It is not going to get more comfortable for him.
Tom

At this point, I'm not even sure that the press is his biggest worry. I would say that this is also a test of any politician's mettle and resilience, since being dogged by the press and having to deal with it is what they have to do.

Nixon didn't like the press, although even he seemed to deal with them better than Trump has.

 

leibowde84

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Well, yeah. As I mentioned above, he reminds me of Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup in A Few Good Men. Trump may be getting played at this point, since those who know which of his buttons to push can get the reaction they're looking for.
This is exactly why I think Trump is such a bad/dangerous president. It is so easy to push his buttons. He has no self control.

If you want something from him, just compliment him repeatedly and he'll listen to you.

If you want him to say something stupid or incriminate himself, insult him personally or talk about how he doesn't really have that much money.

In my entire life I have never seen a politician with such a thin skin and fragile ego. Corruption and dishonesty aside, those might be the most detrimental qualities he has. But, I've also never witnessed a politician that has been as dishonest as Trump ... and that is really saying something.
 

leibowde84

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At this point, I'm not even sure that the press is his biggest worry. I would say that this is also a test of any politician's mettle and resilience, since being dogged by the press and having to deal with it is what they have to do.

Nixon didn't like the press, although even he seemed to deal with them better than Trump has.

I agree. If he can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you know how a story can be told without any evidence of that story ever happening the way it's being told?
There definitely is evidence or the kind of council that is being formed wouldn't be created by the FBI, as they don't form such investigations just for the heck of it. The only questions are who and what?

This is how liars work in this world.
Personally, I don't call people "liars", but there's no doubt some people lie more than some others.
 

eldios

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There definitely is evidence or the kind of council that is being formed wouldn't be created by the FBI, as they don't form such investigations just for the heck of it. The only questions are who and what?

Personally, I don't call people "liars", but there's no doubt some people lie more than some others.

All the inhabitants on earth ( the proud of the earth ) who think they are real people will perish without ever knowing how they're created.

Psalm 22:
25: From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26: The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever!
27: All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28: For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29: Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.
30: Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation,
31: and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.
 

leibowde84

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All the inhabitants on earth ( the proud of the earth ) who think they are real people will perish without ever knowing how they're created.

Psalm 22:
25: From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26: The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever!
27: All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28: For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29: Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.
30: Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation,
31: and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.
What does this have to do with what metis said?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
All the inhabitants on earth are liars is what Metis needs to understand. Trump is not the only liar who is involved in the U.S. government.
To use the word "liar"labels the entire person, which is why I don't use it. Instead, to say that someone "lies" is much more accurate, plus it's non-labeling

BTW, I grew up Lutheran, and I was taught that it was not morally acceptable to call people names, so maybe you should ask your pastor for some advice on this matter.
 

leibowde84

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All the inhabitants on earth are liars is what Metis needs to understand. Trump is not the only liar who is involved in the U.S. government.
It's true, everyone lies from time to time. But, Trump takes it to a new level. The latest is the WH claiming that Brennan said there was no evidence of collusion yesterday. He said nothing of the sort. He said that the CIA doesn't deal in evidence, it deals in information. And, there was plenty of information pointing to the likelihood of collusion to warrant an investigation.
 

eldios

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It's true, everyone lies from time to time. But, Trump takes it to a new level. The latest is the WH claiming that Brennan said there was no evidence of collusion yesterday. He said nothing of the sort. He said that the CIA doesn't deal in evidence, it deals in information. And, there was plenty of information pointing to the likelihood of collusion to warrant an investigation.

The Clinton's mafia members are quite good at lying, too. In fact, Hillary and Bill are well trained lawyers who know how to lie legally.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
In fact, Hillary and Bill are well trained lawyers who know how to lie legally.
And could you supply the evidence that they lied on this? Seems to me you are just making an assumption, whereas in the case of Trump we well know he has lied because of his being fined on numerous occasions, including three times being fined in the last year alone.
 

eldios

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The Clinton's mafia members are quite good at lying, too. In fact, Hillary and Bill are well trained lawyers who know how to lie legally.

I'm just sharing knowledge that all the inhabitants on earth are liars who will perish. Only the spirit of man remains after the death of the flesh.
 
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