Trump and QAnon?

[SomeRandom]

My US brethren!
I hope you can help a foreigner understand.
I’m not at all implying that all Trump supporters would have or do buy into QAnon. People are free to support whatever politician they please and usually it’s for a reasonable cause. Support of policy or even liking the media appearances. That’s fine. More power to you. I’m not here to condemn anyone’s political position at all.

I’m just here to sort of ask, what the hell is up with QAanon and why they as a movement seemingly chose Trump of all people to be the “messiah?”

Because I’m sorry guys but it just seems utterly bizarre to an outsider. And indeed there are seemingly chapters in my own country as a result. I doubt they’re huge chapters but they’re there
The cult of personality, the media cultivation and the subsequent “interpretations” I’ve since seen from the movement specifically.
Is it a culmination of many factors I’m not American enough or indeed old enough to understand?
And bonus question, do you think the movement itself can influence politics in the future? In whatever way.
I’m afraid I just crave context and information. Preferably from someone more aware of US culture than I am

 

[RestlessSoul]

This is what happens when your politics becomes a branch of show business, and your news media can’t compete with online narratives lifted from dystopian sci-fi fantasies.

in a culture where all news is fake news, you are free to believe literally any old **** that fits your own prejudice

 

[Colt]

My US brethren!
I hope you can help a foreigner understand.
I’m not at all implying that all Trump supporters would have or do buy into QAnon. People are free to support whatever politician they please and usually it’s for a reasonable cause. Support of policy or even liking the media appearances. That’s fine. More power to you. I’m not here to condemn anyone’s political position at all.

I’m just here to sort of ask, what the hell is up with QAanon and why they as a movement seemingly chose Trump of all people to be the “messiah?”

Because I’m sorry guys but it just seems utterly bizarre to an outsider. And indeed there are seemingly chapters in my own country as a result. I doubt they’re huge chapters but they’re there
The cult of personality, the media cultivation and the subsequent “interpretations” I’ve since seen from the movement specifically.
Is it a culmination of many factors I’m not American enough or indeed old enough to understand?
And bonus question, do you think the movement itself can influence politics in the future? In whatever way.
I’m afraid I just crave context and information. Preferably from someone more aware of US culture than I am

QAnon is a fringe movement of people prone to believing conspiracies related to their particular political persuasion. It was largely dismissed early in its inception.

QAnon has been diminished due to its failed prophesies so no, it won't have any meaningful influence on politics.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Natural feedback loop:

Donald Trump voters 'far more likely to die of Covid'

 

[SomeRandom]

This is what happens when your politics becomes a branch of show business, and your news media can’t compete with online narratives lifted from dystopian sci-fi fantasies.

in a culture where all news is fake news, you are free to believe literally any old **** that fits your own prejudice

I can’t disagree.
It’s just that it’s so over the top now. I know that US politics in particular (no offence) are kind of…out there. Hell even my teachers used to mock US politicians and their grand gestures.
I dunno. I suppose this is merely a culmination of a long running history.
It’s still bizarre to me

 

[pearl]

Because I’m sorry guys but it just seems utterly bizarre to an outsider.

No more than to us who live with this growing absurdity that threatens our very democracy. I think the undercurrent was always there, Trump gave it voice and then made use of it. At first, they simply seemed a bad joke and now a more than serious threat.

 

[Kooky]

Qanon was started on the internet - specifically, on the online forums of 4chan and 8chan.
If you know anything at all about these two forums and their influence on pop culture, then it will not surprise you that their latest descendant has been an insane online conspiracy theory.

 

[Shadow11]

I'll bet the Russian or Chinese hackers who pose as Qanon are laughing their rear ends off and the damage they were able to do - they almost brought the country down and just might do it in the future.

 

[RestlessSoul]

No more than to us who live with this growing absurdity that threatens our very democracy. I think the undercurrent was always there, Trump gave it voice and then made use of it. At first, they simply seemed a bad joke and now a more than serious threat.

We have our own cut price Trump in the U.K. seriously, what is it with narcissistic populist politicians and bad hair?

 

[Colt]

I can’t disagree.
It’s just that it’s so over the top now. I know that US politics in particular (no offence) are kind of…out there. Hell even my teachers used to mock US politicians and their grand gestures.
I dunno. I suppose this is merely a culmination of a long running history.
It’s still bizarre to me

Did you know that a much, much larger group of otherwise sane people advanced the "Russian collusion" conspiracy that was used to attempt overturn an election? QAnon is nothing compared to the forces behind the RC hoax!

 

[Brickjectivity]

I’m just here to sort of ask, what the hell is up with QAanon and why they as a movement seemingly chose Trump of all people to be the “messiah?”

I don't know what QAanon is, but I do know several people who push conspiracies. They come across as down to Earth, fitting in well and worldly wise. They're believable people, successful in many ways, but they peddle lies. They are compelled for some reason to do so, but I always like them though they are quite dangerous. I haven't determined for certain why it is, but I believe lying comforts them. I think its self medication. They seem to prefer focusing upon a particular suite of lies that is effective and stick to that -- like a conspiracy they are very good at explaining. If it stops working then they seek a new shelter. So for example if QAnon becomes too unbelievable then they may find something new, like a story about Masons or about anything. Anything that they can get other people to believe.

What is a reasonable person to do in a world sprinkled with compulsive liars? It is analogous to the old holographic world problem. Can you live with uncertainty about how the world works? It can be the nice people who are spinning tales. It can be your favorite and trusted news presenter. It could be your grandpa. It can be someone who helped rear your children, the neighborly mom down the street.

One thing you can do is be patient and not react to new information. Keep notes instead of forgetting, so that you can compare facts later. Learn to identify your feelings when someone talks to you. Do they make you feel comforted? Do they make you feel afraid? Are you drawn to their speech? The general effect of words is more important to the liar than what is being talked about. What do you feel motivated to think or to do, and whose speech has had that impact?

The people to pay attention to are the poor communicators, the boring ones. They don't know how to lie. They don't seem to have it all together. They don't have refined impulses. The people who are not entertaining when they speak often are not very intelligent, but they also are more likely to be truthful and sometimes know things or at least can help eliminate untruths.

 

[SomeRandom]

Did you know that a much, much larger group of otherwise sane people advanced the "Russian collusion" conspiracy that was used to attempt overturn an election? QAnon is nothing compared to the forces behind the RC hoax!

Okay I keep hearing about the RC hoax. I’m not entirely sure of the details because I’m constantly getting mixed messages. Something about the Ruskies allowing Trump the victory. Or messing with the presidential election.
Again the information I get depends on the one delivering it.

 

[Kooky]

Did you know that a much, much larger group of otherwise sane people advanced the "Russian collusion" conspiracy that was used to attempt overturn an election? QAnon is nothing compared to the forces behind the RC hoax!

How many armed people invaded pizza parlors over the "RC hoax", exactly?

 

[SomeRandom]

How many armed people invaded pizza parlors over the "RC hoax", exactly?

Wait what?

 

[SomeRandom]

Qanon was started on the internet - specifically, on the online forums of 4chan and 8chan.
If you know anything at all about these two forums and their influence on pop culture, then it will not surprise you that their latest descendant has been an insane online conspiracy theory.

That’s sort of the reason I didn’t take it seriously at first. I thought the movement was just trolling. Even when our news covered them. Not the first time they’ve been trolled, let’s just say.
But the more I witnessed from lefty and the atheist commentators online, the more concerned I got, tbh

 

[Audie]

This is what happens when your politics becomes a branch of show business, and your news media can’t compete with online narratives lifted from dystopian sci-fi fantasies.

in a culture where all news is fake news, you are free to believe literally any old **** that fits your own prejudice

Show biz / sport.

Dont know about all media, even Global Times is accurate sometimes.
But left and right media is the USA do seem
immune to the idea of responsible reporting.

 

[Colt]

Okay I keep hearing about the RC hoax. I’m not entirely sure of the details because I’m constantly getting mixed messages. Something about the Ruskies allowing Trump the victory. Or messing with the presidential election.
Again the information I get depends on the one delivering it.

I will simplify it, Political campaigns here in the U.S. use "op research" on opponents to dig up dirt. In the primaries, before Trump was the nominee, his (R) opponents did op research with a firm named Fusion GPS. Once Trump became the candidate the (R)'s stopped. HOWEVER, the Clinton Campagne picked it up and continued. A retired British MI6 agent named Christopher Steele (on the payroll of our FBI at the time) was used to procure intelligence information from several of his former contacts in Russia. Steele, working with others, compiled a "dossier" containing wild and unsubstantiated claims about Trump.

* Steele initially "leaked" his work to the press to doom the Trump campaign which failed.
* When the FBI discovered Steele to be the leaker he was fired.
* The DNC or Clinton Campagne initially denied being the source of funding for the dossier.
* Agents of the FBI knowingly and repeatedly used the specious dossier to obtain warrants in our secret FISA courts (failing to tell the court it was paid for by the DNC) to spy on associates of the Trump organization.

* In the aftermath of the bitter defeat Clinton and here sympathizers in the mainstream media continued to advance the conspiracy that the Russians actually conspired with Trump to defeat her when in fact it was the Clinton campaign that effectively conspired with Russian interest to defeat Trump which failed. Political foes continued to press the spurious dossier in an attempt to impeach Trump.

* In an ongoing investigation into the source of the dossier 2 arrests have been made. One a former FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty to altering an email between the CIA and FBI and Russia foreign policy analyst Igor Danchenko who lied about his contacts with DNC operatives.

Ex-FBI lawyer admits to false statement during Russia probe
A former FBI lawyer has pleaded guilty to altering a document related to the secret surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser during the Russia investigation


Ex-FBI lawyer admits to false statement during Russia probe



LEGAL

Steele dossier source arrested in Durham probe
Researcher Igor Danchenko is charged with five counts of false statements in an inquiry into the origins of the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation.



Steele dossier source arrested in Durham probe

 

[Nakosis]

My US brethren!
I hope you can help a foreigner understand.
I’m not at all implying that all Trump supporters would have or do buy into QAnon. People are free to support whatever politician they please and usually it’s for a reasonable cause. Support of policy or even liking the media appearances. That’s fine. More power to you. I’m not here to condemn anyone’s political position at all.

I’m just here to sort of ask, what the hell is up with QAanon and why they as a movement seemingly chose Trump of all people to be the “messiah?”

Because I’m sorry guys but it just seems utterly bizarre to an outsider. And indeed there are seemingly chapters in my own country as a result. I doubt they’re huge chapters but they’re there
The cult of personality, the media cultivation and the subsequent “interpretations” I’ve since seen from the movement specifically.
Is it a culmination of many factors I’m not American enough or indeed old enough to understand?
And bonus question, do you think the movement itself can influence politics in the future? In whatever way.
I’m afraid I just crave context and information. Preferably from someone more aware of US culture than I am

Seems the nature of politics today. Not what your party can do for you but how your party can save you from the deplorables on the other team.

 

[sun rise]

But left and right media is the USA do seem
immune to the idea of responsible reporting.

When it comes to politics, religion and the economy, the bias from the far left and right is palpable to the observant. The basic facts might be reported, but the bias is in the use of language. The right also has taken anti-science/anti-medicine bias to new regions of stench with "do as I 'report' not as I do" hypocrisy such as Fox mandating vaccination as they denounce it on the air..

That's why I rely on the outlets at the unbiased and minimally biased top of the Media Bias Chart. And when it comes to stories that are about medical and scientific items, I go to the specialist outlets and even to research papers sometimes. If WebMD, Medscape, Medical New Today and Medscape are all in basic agreement as they usually are, I can accept the story.

 

[Fool]

My US brethren!
I hope you can help a foreigner understand.
I’m not at all implying that all Trump supporters would have or do buy into QAnon. People are free to support whatever politician they please and usually it’s for a reasonable cause. Support of policy or even liking the media appearances. That’s fine. More power to you. I’m not here to condemn anyone’s political position at all.

I’m just here to sort of ask, what the hell is up with QAanon and why they as a movement seemingly chose Trump of all people to be the “messiah?”

Because I’m sorry guys but it just seems utterly bizarre to an outsider. And indeed there are seemingly chapters in my own country as a result. I doubt they’re huge chapters but they’re there
The cult of personality, the media cultivation and the subsequent “interpretations” I’ve since seen from the movement specifically.
Is it a culmination of many factors I’m not American enough or indeed old enough to understand?
And bonus question, do you think the movement itself can influence politics in the future? In whatever way.
I’m afraid I just crave context and information. Preferably from someone more aware of US culture than I am

trump was a fan of the national enquirer; which was a rag that pushed all kinds of conspiracy theory ideas.

people who love drama love trump. people who are drawn to the bad boy behavior like him. it's a sign of conscientiousness failing.