Trump attacks Amazon, calling its shipping deal with Postal Service a 'scam' that must end

[Woberts]

Trump isn’t “known” for these things except within the fevered brows of his die hard critics.

That's interesting. These must all be fake news then, right?
Trump moves to ban most transgender troops
Trump Approves New Limits on Transgender Troops in the Military
New Jersey joins fight opposing Trump's transgender military ban
First openly transgender recruit signs up for US military — despite Trump’s ban

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump Approves New Limits on Transgender Troops in the Military

On the surface, this sounds potentially reasonable.
Der Teufel ist in da implementation.

 

[Woberts]

Der Teufel ist in da implementation.

Google translate is bad at this. I got "The devil is in implementation since" in German. Go figure.

 

[Revoltingest]

Google translate is bad at this. I got "The devil is in implementation since" in German. Go figure.

My teenie vocabulary, bad grammar & poor spelling are bilingual.

 

[tytlyf]

Everyone has the right to apply for a drivers license but it is also a privilege, so not everyone who applies is given one. .

Correct, and being transgender isn't a reason they can deny a drivers license as you're inferring.

Everyone has equal chance at the tests and if you pass, you get a license/acceptance. There are no special rules.

I think you're in favor of discrimination

 

[Shaul]

That's a non-sequitur as there still can be discrimination in terms of access, possibly as in Trump's ban on transgenders. Driving is also a "privilege" but that does not give a state the right to discriminate against minorities, for example. A state or national government may have to "show cause" in court as to why a particular group is being treated differently.

It isn’t a non sequitur at all. I wrote that there was no discrimination in the act of not allowing them in. There is no evidence that transgender are being treated differently within the process. It isn’t discrimination to treat a minority different with respect to issuing drivers licenses. Minors, those with drunk driving records, those with certain physical handicaps (i.e. blindness); all of these are minorities whicah can and are denied drivers licenses with no discrimination involved.

 

[Underhill]

Since you agree there is no right to serve in the military, there is no right being infringed here. Hence no discrimination.

Uh, what? There is no right to a water fountain, but telling a black person they can't use a "whites only" water fountain is discrimination.

Discrimination can definitely occur even with things that are not a right.

 

[Underhill]

It isn’t a non sequitur at all. I wrote that there was no discrimination in the act of not allowing them in. There is no evidence that transgender are being treated differently within the process. It isn’t discrimination to treat a minority different with respect to issuing drivers licenses. Minors, those with drunk driving records, those with certain physical handicaps (i.e. blindness); all of these are minorities whicah can and are denied drivers licenses with no discrimination involved.

Those are not the same things at all. Are you claiming trans people are unable to perform in the military? Because I can introduce you to an Army Ranger who could set you straight...

 

[Shaul]

Correct, and being transgender isn't a reason they can deny a drivers license as you're inferring.

Everyone has equal chance at the tests and if you pass, you get a license/acceptance. There are no special rules.

I think you're in favor of discrimination

But serving in the military isn’t getting a drivers license, it is even more serious in many ways. That is why the military has a wide latitude on who it can exclude. For example people with flat feet can’t serve. Likewise there are weight restrictions. No on argues that such people can’t have drivers licenses. The military has an awesome responsibility to protect the nation. The criteria for entrance must be the needs of the military, not some social engineering goal. Transgender individuals have many physical complications and constraints which would hinder their performance within the military. The military is within their purview to decide to disallow them from serving. It is not any discrimination.

Saying you think I’m in favor of discrimination is a cheap shot, something you ineluctably can’t know, and quite wrong. But why are you so motivated to get transgender people in the military? Sure, you say it is because you are so against discrimination. But since a policy of not allowing them to serve isn’t based on discrimination your motives may be something else entirely.

 

[Shaul]

Uh, what? There is no right to a water fountain, but telling a black person they can't use a "whites only" water fountain is discrimination.

Discrimination can definitely occur even with things that are not a right.

Wow, apples and oranges. Actually there is a right to use a public facility, such as a drinking fountain. So therefore, because it is a right, we don’t discriminate who can use it. That, of course, includes discrimination based on immutable characteristics such as pigmentation. But (again) serving in the military is a privilege, not a right. Since there is no genuine military need to disallow serving based on race, that isn’t done. But there are many physical disqualifications. Height, weight, impairments, and many others disallow people from serving. Transgender individuals simply have characteristics that make them unacceptable for service. There is no discrimination.

 

[Shaul]

That's interesting. These must all be fake news then, right?
Trump moves to ban most transgender troops
Trump Approves New Limits on Transgender Troops in the Military
New Jersey joins fight opposing Trump's transgender military ban
First openly transgender recruit signs up for US military — despite Trump’s ban

They aren’t fake news in asmuch as they report on Trump banning transgenders from the military. However anyone interpreting that such a ban is discrimination is wrong. As I have previously written.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I did not like Trump very much as a person, but I am really starting to like him as a president. I would not be surprised if despite all the spite of Democrats he is going to be remembered as a great president.

It is the Democrats who have really shown their true colors. Basically they are just Neoliberals protecting the interests of multinationals and use selected minorities to create a false picture of social involvement. In reality the do not care about the majority of the people in the country, who build that country. The only reason Democrats looked good was because TeaParty Republicans were so ugly. But now they are the same.

But Trump really does shows he cares about Americans. Sure, he is not a poster boy like Obama, but he is for real. Obama was a puppet put there by George Soros. A black poster boy they gave the Nobel peace price. From then on he behaved like a warmonger, destroying Syria and Libya, creating a huge missile shield that undermined mutual assured destruction, investing a trillion in new nuclear weapons and operating drones attacks in other countries. Arming and financing IS. And now democrats want war with Russia, because Putin stopped them from destroying Syria. Wat horrible dehumanizing ideology is behind this.

I wonder how many of the people here are actually from organizations sponsored by George Soros, as I understand he has hundreds of such activist organizations on his pay role.

Well, that Obama rant was relevant to a discussion on post prices.

 

[Shaul]

Those are not the same things at all. Are you claiming trans people are unable to perform in the military? Because I can introduce you to an Army Ranger who could set you straight...

I am saying the military has a right to make just such a determination, and they have. You are also somewhat misrepresenting the ban. It isn’t a blanket ban on all transgender people from serving.

As far as your Army Ranger I doubt his case is relevant. But then again, as a Marine Corps veteran Army Rangers don’t impress me much anyways.

Are you saying the military has to accept people that would then use the military health care to have their “naughty bits” altered and while undergoing their procedures be unable to perform any meaningful duties?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I am saying the military has a right to make just such a determination, and they have.

Then why did the military come out and say they don't want a transgender ban after Trump announced it?

edit: it also seems that several courts disagree with you about whether or not a transgender ban constitutes discrimination.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Are you saying the military has to accept people that would then use the military health care to have their “naughty bits” altered and while undergoing their procedures be unable to perform any meaningful duties?

Why is that any more problematic than any other soldier having surgery for a preexisting condition after joining?

I bet dollars to donuts the military spends a lot more on, say, fixing teeth that were problematic before enlistment than it will spend on GRT.

 

[Shaul]

It is funded by it's rates which congress sets. Congress has a history of limiting pricing increases, then complaining about how the USPS isn't making money.

As for the postal workers. Join the club. They generally get better working conditions and benefits than those at UPS or Fed Ex and are simply facing the same demands in their workplace that the rest of us have had for years. Sad, sure. But companies making deals that mean more work for employees is not news.

Um, no. Postal rates are set by the Postal Regulatory Commission(PRC), not Congress. There is no evidence of the “right” gutting the Postal service funding.

 

[columbus]

I am saying the military has a right to make just such a determination, and they have.

Uh, no.
Trump was undermining the military brass. They could have made such a policy, but they didn't.

Trump was pandering to his base at the expense of national security.
Again.
Tom

 

[Shaul]

Why is that any more problematic than any other soldier having surgery for a preexisting condition after joining?

Exactly! The military can, and does, deny entry to individuals with other pre-existing conditions if they are identified before enlistment. There is no reason that transgender people can’t be disallowed for entering service just like someone with, for example, identified dental issues. People that will need massive dental care are also denied enlistment, just like transgender people that want to use the service (and therefore taxpayers too) for paying for expensive operations. Transgender reassignment surgery can cost over $140,000. Did you know that? Yeah, the military is right to ban them.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Exactly! The military can, and does, deny entry to individuals with other pre-existing conditions if they are identified before enlistment. There is no reason that transgender people can’t be disallowed for entering service just like someone with, for example, identified dental issues. People that will need massive dental care are also denied enlistment, just like transgender people that want to use the service (and therefore taxpayers too) for paying for expensive operations. Transgender reassignment surgery can cost over $140,000. Did you know that? Yeah, the military is right to ban them.

Not all transgender people want $140,000 surgery, though, and it's not the military that wants to ban them, as I understand it.

 

[Shaul]

Uh, no.
Trump was undermining the military brass. They could have made such a policy, but they didn't.

Trump was pandering to his base at the expense of national security.
Again.
Tom

Nonsense. Sure there are some in the military that want transgender people enlisted. I question their motives. Don’t kid yourself. The vast majority of the military don’t care to have transgender in the military if it is disruptive. When Obama forced transgenders on the military there was huge opposition from the military. You say Trump is pandering. Others would say he is restoring sound policies. As President he has the authority to do this.