Trump attacks Amazon, calling its shipping deal with Postal Service a 'scam' that must end

[idav]

Amazon undercuts real-world prices, drives down its suppliers' margins and puts retailers out of business. Jobs and tax take are then lost, in addition to their clever accounting, which also avoids them paying their share - not an option for a bricks & mortar business or a regular citizen.

I also predict that a facebookesque shed load of dirt will come to light at some point concerning the metrics they (and ebay) use, which dictate which listed products you get to see, and which are 'concealed' from a potential buyer.

These companies are milking it all ways and something needs to be done.

Such is thr nature of capitalism which Trump is a big fan of as long as it doesnt hurt his Trump brand.

Lets talk about milking it for a bit.
White House rebukes Kellyanne Conway for promoting Ivanka Trump products

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where's all this justice you guys rant about?

I don't see any proof of injustice.

Understood. But the shipping costs to Prime Members is passed on somewhere in the overhead (being a Prime Member, I'm okay with this).

By your membership dues for one thing. And Prime members buy more. More sales is more income. That helps with the overhead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Such is thr nature of capitalism which Trump is a big fan of as long as it doesnt hurt his Trump brand.

Lets talk about milking it for a bit.
White House rebukes Kellyanne Conway for promoting Ivanka Trump products

I can see the Trump White House as being the first with an official sponsor

 

[BSM1]

I don't see any proof of injustice.





By your membership dues for one thing. And Prime members buy more. More sales is more income. That helps with the overhead.

My annual dues would cover only a tiny fraction of my shipping costs; and I think you just made my case with the overhead statement.

 

[idav]

My annual dues would cover only a tiny fraction of my shipping costs; and I think you just made my case with the overhead statement.

I doubt US post office wants to fight with Amazon in fear of becoming obsolete. However it wouldn't hurt the behemoth retailer much to charge another dollar on shipping. They just need to make the legislation if Trumps so worried about it. Would be a breath of fresh air to have any good legislation coming from the current administration instead of repealing everything with no decent replacements.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But the sales tax issue can be solved by passing a simple legislation

I doubt they'd do it. Because, ultimately, it's the companies not collecting it and the people buying online not claiming those purchases on their taxes.

These companies are milking it all ways and something needs to be done.

Something should be done, but rarely is anything done. Just like when something should have been done about Walmart, but when the dreams of free-market reign supreme they suddenly hesitate at "baring progress" and "hindering inventiveness" or just say "let the free market decide."
I don't see Trump as the next corporate busting Teddy Roosevelt.

 

[leibowde84]

You might want to go back and read the article. Amazon is paying the PO half of what it would pay UPS/FEDEX. The scam is that when you order from Amazon you're being charged the full UPS/FEDEX charge.

Can you provide the quote where this claim is made? I can't find it.

 

[leibowde84]

I did not like Trump very much as a person, but I am really starting to like him as a president. I would not be surprised if despite all the spite of Democrats he is going to be remembered as a great president.

It is the Democrats who have really shown their true colors. Basically they are just Neoliberals protecting the interests of multinationals and use selected minorities to create a false picture of social involvement. In reality the do not care about the majority of the people in the country, who build that country. The only reason Democrats looked good was because TeaParty Republicans were so ugly. But now they are the same.

But Trump really does shows he cares about Americans. Sure, he is not a poster boy like Obama, but he is for real. Obama was a puppet put there by George Soros. A black poster boy they gave the Nobel peace price. From then on he behaved like a warmonger, destroying Syria and Libya, creating a huge missile shield that undermined mutual assured destruction, investing a trillion in new nuclear weapons and operating drones attacks in other countries. Arming and financing IS. And now democrats want war with Russia, because Putin stopped them from destroying Syria. Wat horrible dehumanizing ideology is behind this.

I wonder how many of the people here are actually from organizations sponsored by George Soros, as I understand he has hundreds of such activist organizations on his pay role.

Wow ... nice deflection/distraction. This has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I doubt they'd do it. Because, ultimately, it's the companies not collecting it and the people buying online not claiming those purchases on their taxes.

Something should be done, but rarely is anything done. Just like when something should have been done about Walmart, but when the dreams of free-market reign supreme they suddenly hesitate at "baring progress" and "hindering inventiveness" or just say "let the free market decide."
I don't see Trump as the next corporate busting Teddy Roosevelt.

Most consumers do not even know that such taxes are still due. In my state if you buy from a source that does not charge sales tax you still owe a "Use Tax":

Use tax | Washington Department of Revenue

Legally here this includes all non-food purchases. If you buy a $5.00 chair at a yard sale technically use tax is still due. I doubt if even the most honest consumer would bother to pay that. But I don't see how Amazon gets away without collecting sales tax for third party sellers. There is no excuse for that since they already have the software to charge tax on the goods that they sell.

 

[leibowde84]

So where did this come from? What is the motivation behind the president attacking the free market? Methinks the Waltons had a little chat with the dotard.

Trump renews attack on Amazon, calling its shipping deal with Postal Service a 'scam' that must end

The USPS controls its own pricing and Amazon is in no way coming close to breaking any laws. So, this is merely an attack on a successful player in the free-market playing by the rules.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But I don't see how Amazon gets away without collecting sales tax for third party sellers.

The third party seller is supposed to collect it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The third party seller is supposed to collect it.

Supposedly. Since the billing is done through Amazon they should be the one that collects it. What is the third party supposed to do? Send a separate invoice for tax? Many third party items are less than $5.00. They would spend more money collecting the tax than they would get in tax revenues.

 

[tytlyf]

I did not like Trump very much as a person, but I am really starting to like him as a president. I would not be surprised if despite all the spite of Democrats he is going to be remembered as a great president.

It is the Democrats who have really shown their true colors. Basically they are just Neoliberals protecting the interests of multinationals and use selected minorities to create a false picture of social involvement. In reality the do not care about the majority of the people in the country, who build that country. The only reason Democrats looked good was because TeaParty Republicans were so ugly. But now they are the same.

But Trump really does shows he cares about Americans. Sure, he is not a poster boy like Obama, but he is for real. Obama was a puppet put there by George Soros. A black poster boy they gave the Nobel peace price. From then on he behaved like a warmonger, destroying Syria and Libya, creating a huge missile shield that undermined mutual assured destruction, investing a trillion in new nuclear weapons and operating drones attacks in other countries. Arming and financing IS. And now democrats want war with Russia, because Putin stopped them from destroying Syria. Wat horrible dehumanizing ideology is behind this.

I wonder how many of the people here are actually from organizations sponsored by George Soros, as I understand he has hundreds of such activist organizations on his pay role.

100% Myth.

What's your favorite news source?

 

[Subduction Zone]

100% Myth.

What's your favorite news source?

FAUX News

Trump calls Amazon's deal with Postal Service a 'scam' costing 'billions'

"But while the U.S. Postal Service has lost money for 11 years, package delivery -- which has been a bright spot for the service -- is not the reason.

Boosted by e-commerce, the Postal Service has experienced double-digit increases in revenue from delivering packages, but that hasn't been enough to offset pension and health care costs as well as declines in first-class letters and marketing mail.

Together, letters and marketing mail make up more than two-thirds of postal revenue.

In arguing that the Postal Service is losing money on delivering packages for Amazon, Trump appears to be citing some Wall Street analysis that argue the Postal Service's formula for calculating its costs is outdated. A 2017 analysis by Citigroup did conclude that the Postal Service was charging below market rates as a whole on parcels.

Still, federal regulators have reviewed the Amazon contract with the Postal Service each year and determined it to be profitable."

Wow! On the whole fair and balanced. So the USPS to boost revenue charges below market rates, but still makes a profit, on their parcel delivery. Someone better inform Amazon, Walmart, Target, Costco etc. that selling below market level and making a profit is illegal.

If he complained about just the sales tax he would have a legitimate point. But Trump, I mean Dump, always takes the opportunity to make a point and blows it.

 

[Cassandra]

By rescinding my rights, and the rights of many others?

Rhetorical questions are typically used to state something unproven but make it seem accepted fact by slipping it in as base for a question. That kind of response is considered manipulative. But I see one of your allies considers it a "winner". Well that is a message too.

This may be an effective manner of slandering Trump, but it makes me question the source. Before the elections I still lived in the idea that the Democrats were somehow more decent than the TeaParty radicals. But the ethics of people is never any better than the means they use, and we have seen Democrats use the same dirty means as Republicans in the past, at times even worse, like sacking people for showing support for Trump. (That I call violation of Rights)

I think both of the big parties have been taken over by big capital who purposely create loads of bi-partisan hate to keep the Americans people divided. Divide and Rule is their motto. To their distress someone took office they do not own and now they are doing their best to bring him down so they can replace him with one of their puppets again.

Tell me what constitutional rights Trump took away from you, and how he managed to do that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Supposedly. Since the billing is done through Amazon they should be the one that collects it. What is the third party supposed to do? Send a separate invoice for tax? Many third party items are less than $5.00. They would spend more money collecting the tax than they would get in tax revenues.

You'd think it would work that way, but it doesn't. Whatever they were thinking, however they thought it would work, it's on the seller to collect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rhetorical questions are typically used to state something unproven but make it seem accepted fact by slipping it in base for a question.

It's a fact that Trump rescinded gains in transgender rights set in place by Obama, as well as prohibited the CDC from using the term "transgender."

 

[Subduction Zone]

You'd think it would work that way, but it doesn't. Whatever they were thinking, however they thought it would work, it's on the seller to collect.

That could probably be corrected by legislation. But since not all states have sales taxes states without them balk at collecting them for those that do. Of course putting the blame on a Republican controlled congress is that last thing that he would do when it came to collecting taxes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To their distress someone took office they do not own and now they are doing their best to bring him down so they can replace him with one of their puppets again.

Who's distress? Trump has been doing his part to not "drain the swamp."

 

[Cassandra]

FAUX News

Trump calls Amazon's deal with Postal Service a 'scam' costing 'billions'

"But while the U.S. Postal Service has lost money for 11 years, package delivery -- which has been a bright spot for the service -- is not the reason.

Boosted by e-commerce, the Postal Service has experienced double-digit increases in revenue from delivering packages, but that hasn't been enough to offset pension and health care costs as well as declines in first-class letters and marketing mail.

Together, letters and marketing mail make up more than two-thirds of postal revenue.

In arguing that the Postal Service is losing money on delivering packages for Amazon, Trump appears to be citing some Wall Street analysis that argue the Postal Service's formula for calculating its costs is outdated. A 2017 analysis by Citigroup did conclude that the Postal Service was charging below market rates as a whole on parcels.

Still, federal regulators have reviewed the Amazon contract with the Postal Service each year and determined it to be profitable."

Wow! On the whole fair and balanced. So the USPS to boost revenue charges below market rates, but still makes a profit, on their parcel delivery. Someone better inform Amazon, Walmart, Target, Costco etc. that selling below market level and making a profit is illegal.

If he complained about just the sales tax he would have a legitimate point. But Trump, I mean Dump, always takes the opportunity to make a point and blows it.

What Trump is basically trying to do is make these multinationals pay a fair price for using national resources in stead of using their enormous weight to create uneven deals, basically exploiting every country they operate in. These big Companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, etc abuse their positions of power. Positions they should not even have in well regulated free market. Anyone believing in a free world not controlled by Multinationals should be happy about this. It brings more money in the local economy and less to the global elite. But as we have been seen consistently the Neoliberals/democrats are basically pushing the multi-nationalist agenda. That is why they want to flood countries with cheap labor behind the guise human interest. If they were so interested in human rights they force these multinationals to pay decent wages in other countries as well.

Because all they do is spread exploitation. Trump is right to make them produce in the US. It is still a great injustice as these multinationals avoid paying taxes in the markets where they make their sales. It is good to force these multinationals where they land to behave more social. It does not harm the low-wage countries either. Now national producers get a chance to take over production and export to richer countries, and that money earned benefits those country. Because multinationals steal from all countries.

Shame on you you democrats. You help no one, only create endless silly melodramatic sideshows about gay rights and that kind of stuff. Like homosexuals are the great victims of society. They generally live a hedonistic lifestyle, have more then average income, and have no kids to support. But these cry babies have been promoted to democratic proof of social interest.

Who do you want to fool? Politics is about fair distribution of income for people in the country, and multinationals should not even have the same benefits as national companies. They are the same exploitation rackets that set up the colonies and used slavery to make maximum profit. Of course they want politicians to talk about gays and abortion, that keeps attention away from the real issues, issues that concern them.

But Trump is trying to address the issues even if has limited leverage. And you can call him a moron as much as you like, you can call his supporters retards, but more and more Americans lost confidence that democrats will ever do anything for them. They had an excellent chance with Bernie Sanders to prove their sincerity, but in stead showed their real colors.