I agree with this. Though what does this have to do with article linked in OP?
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I agree with this. Though what does this have to do with article linked in OP?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, you think that political censorship for partisan reasons is funny, do ya. Well, some of us really don't think this is funny at all as this is a tactic used by totalitarian regimes who prefer using brainwashing techniques over freedom of information.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Sing it! Personally, I see this as a temporary measure whilst Trump and Co. take chainsaws to the bureaucratic infrastructure thereby removing the need for such rules. Do you really let soon to be ex-employees say whatever they want in a public forum with impunity? Would you?
What about in 4-8 years, possibly longer, when a new Democratic President is set on removing the Trump supporting infrastructure from the bureaucracy? Should those soon to be terminated employees be allowed to broadcast their unfiltered thoughts too?
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"American science"? The ****?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Even "temporary" should be viewed as a threat when it comes to having a democracy.
As long as it doesn't pose a threat to national security, yes. The free exchange of information is literally vital to the functioning of a democracy.
It is quite arguably a right of US citizens to have unfettered access to unclassified information generated through scientific research funded by taxpayers. Trump is treating the government as if it were his private fief. The government belongs to the citizens as a whole, not to Trump alone.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly, and when viewed in the context of history, it is literally vital to democracy.
One of the things that totalitarians always do is to try and eradicate the independent media whereas they can control it. This is no laughing matter, as I know you agree, and it's beyond me trying to figure out why some are treating it as such.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
You have been truly Zombied.
What does your post that I replied to have to do with the article linked in the OP?
It falls into the same category as "alternative facts."
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
In the Trump mind ignorance trumps truth.
He appeals to the wilfully ignorant
He appeals to the wilfully ignorant
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Actually no.
One example where the military uses climate change data is projecting how large the Bering Straight's going to get. They're using they information to understand how many extra naval vessels they need to cover territory against potential Russian incursions.
In fact, if you have business interests in Alaska, you're pouring over climate change data . . . Their coast is feeling it at a faster rate than anywhere else in the US, for now.
As for "weather patterns", that's not how they use it. They are using the data to projecting out long term destabilization from coastal flooding, food shortages, and inevitable mass migration across political borders.
Despite denial from lay people who want to trust . . . Well, whoever they get this information from, the US military takes it seriously and will be prepared for it anyway.
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I'm waiting for him to start talking about 'Jewish Physics' next.
You want me to comment on eight years of his presidency in a post. He was the most diplomatic president ever. Anything in any speech he wrote was from the heart. He held no grudges and genuinely tried to be the best and kept himself from becoming corrupt. He also kept things running. He did not return fire against racist remarks against himself and worked to smooth racial tensions. He overcame eight years of accusations of tyranny without becoming tyrannical. He successfully navigated through eight years of a congress owned by the opposing party and came out smelling like a rose. He did it all without being a US citizen, too. Not bad!
No problem, but prove to me it's man made global warming and not a natural pattern. They say there was an ice age right?
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
This is good. You've shifted your stance. I'd rather have a conversation about data regarding our potential impact, instead of having to prove it's happening at all.
You're growing.
The next step: Learn everything you can about CFCs and the ozone layer. This was a terrible problem in the 70s and 80s, and a single government ban stopped it.
After that, we'll look at data.
Government cover up. They probably burned a hole in the ozone layer with HAARP testing. Ever read about HAARP? Yes pollution was bad in the 70's when America was an industrial nation, almost as bad as China today. But it did not cause the Earth to exit the ice age.
Which brings up the possiblity that the government is secretly melting the ice caps to open up new oil exploration or for other purposes. HAARP is basically one humongous microwave. How is Antarctic ice holding up?