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Trump declares himself the "chief law enforcement officer of the United States"

Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
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I'm not worried, the clear headed members of the GOP will have no trouble reining this maniac in when he goes too far.

(ladles of sarcasm intended)
 
dianaiad

dianaiad

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Article 2 of the Constitution says that the head of the DOJ is the 'chief law enforcement officer,' but his job is to advise the President, who is his boss.

Which should tell anybody with the ability to read that yeah, POTUS is the chief law enforcement officer, just as he is the head of the armed services.

Get over it, already. None of you would have had a problem with Obama claiming this. Because...guess what...he IS the chief law enforcement guy.

Great googly moogly, people. Next you are going to get all upset if Trump claims to be the POTUS
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
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Evangelicalhumanist said:
Trump declares himself the 'chief law enforcement officer of the United States' and admits he makes AG Barr's job harder

Well, is he? Can he be? Are last norms that make you a democratic republic being torn down so that you can become something the Constitution and its framers never, ever contemplated?

When is America going to actually LOOK AT THIS MAN? When it's too late? Well, maybe -- it's happened before, and history does tell us a lot about who we are, doesn't it?
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He definitely isn't and was wrong to say that he was. (Although it may be just a technicality since the DOJ representative is his employee.)

HOWEVER!!!!

That is why we have checks and balances because every President has the good, the bad and the ugly... (interestingly enough that makes two negatives for every positive ;) )

For and example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e1b692-6713-11e2-9e1b-07db1d2ccd5b_story.html

President Obama apparently thought he was King George Obama in this instance but we have the check and balances to prevent such occurrences.

My point is simply, you are correct but that happens in every recent presidency and we have checks and balances to keep things in the straight and narrow path.
 
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sooda

sooda

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dianaiad said:
Article 2 of the Constitution says that the head of the DOJ is the 'chief law enforcement officer,' but his job is to advise the President, who is his boss.

Which should tell anybody with the ability to read that yeah, POTUS is the chief law enforcement officer, just as he is the head of the armed services.

Get over it, already. None of you would have had a problem with Obama claiming this. Because...guess what...he IS the chief law enforcement guy.

Great googly moogly, people. Next you are going to get all upset if Trump claims to be the POTUS
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Exactly what does it say?

Article II | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal ...
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Section 2.

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sooda

sooda

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KenS said:
He definitely isn't and was wrong to say that he was. (Although it may be just a technicality since the DOJ representative is his employee.)

HOWEVER!!!!

That is why we have checks and balances because every President has the good, the bad and the ugly... (interestingly enough that makes two negatives for every positive ;) )

For and example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e1b692-6713-11e2-9e1b-07db1d2ccd5b_story.html

President Obama apparently thought his was King George Obama in this instance but we have the check and balances to prevent such occurrences.

My point is simply, you are correct but that happens in every recent presidency and we have checks and balances to keep things in the straight and narrow path.
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Justice has always been independent..

The Executive branch doesn’t make law, doesn’t interpret law, but it Executes the laws and decisions brought by the other two branches.

The judicial system is a method of executing those laws and as the Chief Executive, the president is responsible for making the law stick. That’s why the DOJ is under the Executive branch.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
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sooda said:
Justice has always been independent..

The Executive branch doesn’t make law, doesn’t interpret law, but it Executes the laws and decisions brought by the other two branches.

The judicial system is a method of executing those laws and as the Chief Executive, the president is responsible for making the law stick. That’s why the DOJ is under the Executive branch.
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That is absolutely correct.

Personally, I think Executive Orders have been abused by MANY presidents.... it bypasses the Legislation Branch.
 
sooda

sooda

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KenS said:
That is absolutely correct.

Personally, I think Executive Orders have been abused by MANY presidents.... it bypasses the Legislation Branch.
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Trump has NEVER read the Constitution.. He said that its "like a foreign language"..
 
Shaul

Shaul

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sooda said:
Justice has always been independent..

The Executive branch doesn’t make law, doesn’t interpret law, but it Executes the laws and decisions brought by the other two branches.

The judicial system is a method of executing those laws and as the Chief Executive, the president is responsible for making the law stick. That’s why the DOJ is under the Executive branch.
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As a practicality, it would be almost impossible to execute the laws without interpreting them.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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dianaiad said:
Article 2 of the Constitution says that the head of the DOJ is the 'chief law enforcement officer,' but his job is to advise the President, who is his boss.

Which should tell anybody with the ability to read that yeah, POTUS is the chief law enforcement officer, just as he is the head of the armed services.

Get over it, already. None of you would have had a problem with Obama claiming this. Because...guess what...he IS the chief law eenforcement guy.

Great googly moogly, people. Next you are going to get all upset if Trump claims to be the POTUS
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I like how you pretend republicans wouldn't be screeching and squealing if it were flip-flopped. Speaking of Obama, I remember republicans crying about how often he played golf, but when Trump far surpassed him on time spent on the courses... *cricket chirps*
 
dfnj

dfnj

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Evangelicalhumanist said:
Trump declares himself the 'chief law enforcement officer of the United States' and admits he makes AG Barr's job harder

Well, is he? Can he be? Are last norms that make you a democratic republic being torn down so that you can become something the Constitution and its framers never, ever contemplated?

When is America going to actually LOOK AT THIS MAN? When it's too late? Well, maybe -- it's happened before, and history does tell us a lot about who we are, doesn't it?
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Trump campaigned on "draining the swamp" and getting rid of corruption in Washington. The truth and the facts suggest otherwise. It appears the Trump administration is the most corrupt government this country has ever had:

"Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments:

Trump (Republican) — 215

Nixon (Republican) — 76

Reagan (Republican) — 26

"Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:

Obama (Democrat) — 0

Carter (Democrat) — 1

Clinton (Democrat) — 2"

Trump is the swamp! He is a lawless mafiosi!
 
sooda

sooda

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Stanyon said:
But.. but... republicans!
We are talking the here and now, let's deal with that instead of speaking deflections and hysterics.

Trumps claim is technically correct.
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Out-of-Control Trump Declares Himself 'Chief Law ...
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/02/trump-declares-himself-chief-law
2 hours ago · Out-of-Control Trump Declares Himself 'Chief Law Enforcement' Officer Donald Trump is now completely out of control, declaring himself not just above the law, but the law itself. Feb 18, 2020
 
sooda

sooda

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Trump is pardoning GOP donors......….

Paul Pogue, who founded Pogue Construction near Dallas, was among 11 people pardoned during a clemency blitz that included Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and former New York Police Department commissioner Bernie Kerik.

Pogue pleaded guilty in 2010 to filing a false tax return. He was sentenced to three years in prison and ordered to pay a $250,000 fine and more than $473,000 in restitution.
Among those who advocated for Pogue's clemency, according to a White House statement, were former Republican U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. When Santorum ran for president in 2016, Pogue was a member of his national finance committee.

In Texas, Pogue gave $10,000 to help Paxton fight felony charges of securities fraud that have shadowed him since taking office in 2015. Paxton has pleaded not guilty and the case has been at a standstill for years. Campaign finance records also show that Pogue has donated to other GOP officeholders in Texas, including former Gov. Rick Perry and state Sen. Angela Paxton, the attorney general's wife.

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President Trump goes on clemency spree, and the list is long
 
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