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Trump demands recount???????????????????????

idav

Being
Premium Member
I couldn’t care less who is doing the whining so long as the vote isn’t overturned. It is time to stop the inmates from running the asylum.
So you want to impeach Trump already? There are actual real things against Trump. He couldn't even at the very least attempt to be as trustworthy as Nixon. Has done worse as far as his own emails and condoned the type of espionage that Nixon could even dream of doing.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
I start to come around and say "I will give him a chance" when suddenly...


YOU WON THE @#$% ELECTION BRUH! Why are you still mad and for what?! You preach unity and promote division! What is the matter with you?

More of a stab at the media in my opinion with that particular message. Meaning, it's only feasible to be suspicious of fraud in select states and not others. Not a matter of winning or losing.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
More of a stab at the media in my opinion with that particular message. Meaning, it's only feasible to be suspicious of fraud in select states and not others. Not a matter of winning or losing.
That's fair. I honestly don't expect anything to come out from this recount.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Yes lawyers make money off recounts, who cares, that's why it's better if they are off donations rather than tax payer dollars.

True, I do have to imagine though that tax payer dollars will still be at work and involved in the recount.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Donald Trump compared the US election to Brexit and he was right.

You're right because Trump doesn't understand how democracy works either here in the UK or there in the US.


The left leaning elite establishment in the UK are desperately trying everything they can think of to overturn our referendum and the democracy that went against them.

I'll never understand the sheer level of doublethink Brexiteers need to maintain in order to hold these two positions at the same time:

"Scotland needs to shut up and respect the result and not try to delay it because Parliament is sovereign."
"Why the **** should MPs get a vote on the result of a legally non-binding referendum? **** them, we voted and they have to abide by our wishes! We want Brexit NOW!"


Seriously. That's what Brexiteers sound like.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
More of a stab at the media
But the media isn't asking for the recounts. THAT'S the news. The Donald wants a recount in certain states? Kewl. Follow the rules like the Green Party did.

I would love for the votes to be counted twice on EVERY election. I hate this drama.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
You're right because Trump doesn't understand how democracy works either here in the UK or there in the US.




I'll never understand the sheer level of doublethink Brexiteers need to maintain in order to hold these two positions at the same time:

"Scotland needs to shut up and respect the result and not try to delay it because Parliament is sovereign."
"Why the **** should MPs get a vote on the result of a legally non-binding referendum? **** them, we voted and they have to abide by our wishes! We want Brexit NOW!"


Seriously. That's what Brexiteers sound like.

The elite establishment don’t understand democracy or they wouldn’t have given us an EU referendum.

They only did it because they thought they could win. When they didn’t win, they didn’t like democracy any more.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The Democrats will have to defend 25 Senate seats in two years from now and they just lost the White House in a year they were strongly favored to win.

They will not be able to defend all 25, they are certain to lose 2 of them and likely the number will be higher, more like 4 to 6.

Trump's popularity is already rising, and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet. Post 2016 Presidential election, the Republicans have a majority in the Senate, in the House, they control the majority of State Legislatures, they hold control of the majority of Governorships, and now they have the White House. They have it all.

Trump is going to make a minimum of one Supreme Court nominee who will be approved. But likely it will be more than one, probably three.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says there are nine Supreme Court Justices. The U.S. Constitution left it to Congress to decide how many justices should make up the court at any given time so there is no fixed number such as "nine". For long periods of time six Justices were the norm, but there were times we only had five, then nine, then seven was the norm, then we had ten, we almost had fifteen in the mid-20th Century but then Congress decided not to.

Congress decides. So myself and many Trump supports are, and will be, requesting Trump - and the Republican majority which is overwhelming - to nominate a Justice to bring the number to nine, but to also bring the number of Justices up to twelve. Where Trump nominates three more in addition to the one replacement, thus four total and stacking the Court and bumping it to twelve and that Congress approve it. Which can happen.

One of the top priorities in this election, and one of the top reasons America voted Trump was they didn't want Hillary to make even one Supreme Court nomination - it would be too much to stomach for Americans. So they elected Trump to make such nominations, now let us give America what it wants, and I say twelve is a more logical number, after all there are a dozen eggs. A dozen donuts. And with an even number, you could have a split decision. Well, maybe not since most Justices will be "conservatives". I like the idea of the possibility of a split decision. Sometimes nothing happening is better than happening. That way it goes back to Congress to "interpret" and then - bingo - legislate.

Ok... if you have a problem with the possibility of split decisions, bump the court to 13. Really make the Court look scary to the Dems with a scary number like 13.

Best election yet. The MSM is going completely full tilt bonkers and in crisis mode. Never has the MSM been held in such contempt by most Americans - they are now lower in respect than lawyers in the eyes of most Americans because they are not mainstream anything, they are the legacy of failed policy wonks and leftism. No one believes they are news or "journalists", most do not believe them at all. And what angers Americans the most about the MSM is not as much what they report which everything they do is really an agenda, but what angers Americans the most is what the "news" DOESN'T report. Americans get the news no matter how much the MSM may try to coverup actual news anyway - then they notice that the MSM didn't report it.

They do notice however the MSM looking in every nook and cranny to find one Trump "supporter" doing something bad, then reporting it as news when it is not. For example, a Trump supporter does something bad while standing at a bus stop. Now most bad things that happen at a bus stop are done by Democrats. But the news headline isn't "Democrat smokes pot at a bus stop, gassing a 3 year old who goes into a panic attack and is rushed to the hospital as breathing cuts off".

But then Americans see they are being fed news which is not news, "Trump supporter smokes a cigarette at a bus stop" garbage or "Trump supporter gets unruly on airplane flight" - this is not news, it is Soviet era fake news and propaganda of hate and character assassination and everyone is sick of it except the Alt-Left that wants a Soviet era controlled media.

So to be fair and balance off this bull from the despised MSM, I will urge Trump to establish via his family in charge of the Trump Empire a new Trump News Network or TNN. America wants a TNN because most hate CNN the Clinton News Network. The Clinton's are dead anyway, they have about as mich relevance today as Jill Stein.

... and I also demand a recount in California and a complete Congressional investigation of illegal aliens voting and associated voter fraud in California. There are a lot of Republicans in California, but they are being disenfranchised by a One Party State in California that engages in voter fraud and who are agents of a foreign entity, specifically Mexico.
 
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The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The elite establishment don’t understand democracy or they wouldn’t have given us an EU referendum.

Well the Tories did get in on only 37% of the vote so their win is as about as democratic as Trump's.


They only did it because they thought they could win. When they didn’t win, they didn’t like democracy any more.

The first sentence: that's probably true. The second sentence: I actually agree but not necessarily in the case of Brexit. The referendum result only said people wanted to leave the EU; it didn't mandate a deadline or procedures for doing so - mostly because the Brexit campaign didn't have a ****ing clue as to how they'd proceed in the event of winning. The thing you're forgetting is in England & Wales the ultimate democratic say resides with Parliament, not the people. That's a peculiarly English thing though. Here's a link which references the ruling which upheld this particular doctrine. So it doesn't matter how many referenda return a result for Brexit; Parliament can legally override that every time.

You're also forgetting that the UK actually stopped being a functioning democracy at Parliamentary level some time ago.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Oh, I forgot to mention, Republican Darrell Issa of California won and held his 49th District of San Diego, winning by almost 2,500 votes even with massive illegal alien voter fraud going for the Democrat. That means the Republicans are on track to hold at least 240 seats in the House next year. With Issa keeping his seat, the only unresolved races left in the country are in Louisiana which is a Red State. One year from now, it is going to get even worse for the Democrats. They may want to think about a new party pretty soon because I have little doubt they will continue down the path of their cop hating / cop killing / Alt-Left BLM domestic terrorism / anti-jobs fixations of division, central government and hate of the middle class agenda of globalist plutocracy. So they will continue to face losses. And exposure of the Democrats use of foreigners viz illegal aliens illegally voting as part of massive voter fraud will be made front and center.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Well the Tories did get in on only 37% of the vote so their win is as about as democratic as Trump's.




The first sentence: that's probably true. The second sentence: I actually agree but not necessarily in the case of Brexit. The referendum result only said people wanted to leave the EU; it didn't mandate a deadline or procedures for doing so - mostly because the Brexit campaign didn't have a ****ing clue as to how they'd proceed in the event of winning. The thing you're forgetting is in England & Wales the ultimate democratic say resides with Parliament, not the people. That's a peculiarly English thing though. Here's a link which references the ruling which upheld this particular doctrine. So it doesn't matter how many referenda return a result for Brexit; Parliament can legally override that every time.

You're also forgetting that the UK actually stopped being a functioning democracy at Parliamentary level some time ago.

Actually, I made a mistake in my previous post when I said they thought they could win, I meant to say they thought they would win.

Any cock-ups that were made regarding the EU referendum, were made by David Cameron and the rest of the over confident elites. He should have planned for both outcomes instead of packing his bags when he didn’t get the outcome he expected.

It’s not as though they were afraid of spending our money. You seem to have forgotten about that expensive propaganda booklet that we all paid to get shoved through our letterboxes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...uropean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk

That booklet stated “The referendum on Thursday, 23 June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.”, there is no mention of the referendum being advisory only.

The UK voted to leave and that is what the UK will do!
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That's fair. I honestly don't expect anything to come out from this recount.
The "recount" is deceptively named. It's actually only part of a systems diagnostic analyzing multiple aspects of the American elections system -- hardware, demographics, logistics, applications, &c.

Stein's made it clear that she doesn't expect it to change the election results.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I like the idea of an even number of justices.
A tie would mean continued discussion on a very questionable case.
 
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