Trump Guilty of Sexual Abuse.

[Soandso]

And Carroll might sue him again.

E Jean Carroll considering suing Trump for his remarks during CNN town hall

The disparaging comments came just a day after the ex-president was found liable for sexually abusing the writer

www.theguardian.com

Guy suffers from diarrhea of the mouth

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Guy suffers from diarrhea of the mouth

Must be from the Mar-a-Lago buffet.

 

[Revoltingest]

Guy suffers from diarrhea of the mouth

I can see that it was a good tactic for Trump
to present no defense in his recent trial.
This made it less newsworthy. But now his
ego appears to be sabotaging that effort.

 

[Windwalker]

Trump is appealing the decision.

Trump appeals sexual abuse verdict, $5 mln award in Carroll civil case

Former U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday appealed a New York jury's verdict in a civil case that he sexually abused and defamed writer E. Jean Carroll.

www.reuters.com

This is standard practice, and most appeals typically fail. There really was no issues with the trial itself, and the jury was approved by both sides. So no claims of 'anti-trumpism' can fly.

 

[We Never Know]

I can see that it was a good tactic for Trump
to present no defense in his recent trial.
This made it less newsworthy. But now his
ego appears to be sabotaging that effort.

"his ego appears to be sabotaging that effort"

That's his normal. Did you expect it to be different? .

 

[Revoltingest]

"his ego appears to be sabotaging that effort"

That's his normal. Did you expect it to be different? .

Just stating what I surmise.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is standard practice, and most appeals typically fail. There really was no issues with the trial itself, and the jury was approved by both sides. So no claims of 'anti-trumpism' can fly.

I dunno. It's a Republican in the People's State of New York after all.

 

[Windwalker]

I dunno. It's a Republican in the People's State of New York after all.

What I said about appeals is true in all states. It has nothing to do with his political affiliations. It was a jury of his peers, not a political party that unanimously found him liable. At least one of them was a right wing conservative as well. They didn't vote on the political news. They voted on the evidence. Saying this is about politics, is a smokescreen. It's about a criminal and his criminal wrongdoings. That's all.

 

[Callisto]

I dunno. It's a Republican in the People's State of New York after all.

Doesn't matter. The jury was a cross-section of New Yorkers. Further, Trump is a lifelong New Yorker, known for decades throughout the state. Up until his brain atrophy due to his inherent vileness and whatever forms of mental illness he's in the grasp of, he was a scummy corporate bro and Democrat. He spent 50+ years cementing his reputation in NY. So if one wanted to argue the jury was somehow hostile, it would be due to more than half a century of his corruption, the corruption since gaslighting the GOP is just the latest iteration. New Yorkers knew exactly what kind of guy Trump is LONG before the rest of the country realized. But the rest of the country does know now, so there was no point in a change of venue (which Joe Tapioca tried and was denied).

 

[GardenLady]

Given that his attorney agreed to the jury as seated, there is no appeal to be made based on claims about The People's State of NY. Trump chose not to attend the trial and not to testify, and given his frequent intemperate comments on topics of all kinds, I'm sure his counsel would strongly urge him not to testify. Then he was offered an additional chance to come and testify even after his counsel rested. He has no basis for appeal.

But as a stickler for language, I wish people would stop using "guilty" instead of "civilly liable."

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump is accused of having done what he says he does.
No big surprise that he's found liable for "trumping" her.

 

[fantome profane]

I just wanted to put this here. Beau always get right to the point.

RF is hardly "right wing social media", yet we have seen the exact same "defence" here in this thread.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doesn't matter. The jury was a cross-section of New Yorkers. Further, Trump is a lifelong New Yorker, known for decades throughout the state. Up until his brain atrophy due to his inherent vileness and whatever forms of mental illness he's in the grasp of, he was a scummy corporate bro and Democrat. He spent 50+ years cementing his reputation in NY. So if one wanted to argue the jury was somehow hostile, it would be due to more than half a century of his corruption, the corruption since gaslighting the GOP is just the latest iteration. New Yorkers knew exactly what kind of guy Trump is LONG before the rest of the country realized. But the rest of the country does know now, so there was no point in a change of venue (which Joe Tapioca tried and was denied).

I would just love to know the political affiliation of the jury members.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doesn't matter. The jury was a cross-section of New Yorkers. Further, Trump is a lifelong New Yorker, known for decades throughout the state. Up until his brain atrophy due to his inherent vileness and whatever forms of mental illness he's in the grasp of, he was a scummy corporate bro and Democrat. He spent 50+ years cementing his reputation in NY. So if one wanted to argue the jury was somehow hostile, it would be due to more than half a century of his corruption, the corruption since gaslighting the GOP is just the latest iteration. New Yorkers knew exactly what kind of guy Trump is LONG before the rest of the country realized. But the rest of the country does know now, so there was no point in a change of venue (which Joe Tapioca tried and was denied).

Before or after he was a Democrat?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I would just love to know the political affiliation of the jury members.

Why should that make any difference? If anything it seems that you are smearing the Republican Party, and for once you may be right.

 

[Callisto]

I would just love to know the political affiliation of the jury members.

Well for personal safety reasons, they've been advised to remain anonymous. However, we have heard there was at least one juror who is Republican and, obviously, found him liable.

 

[Callisto]

Before or after he was a Democrat?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what bit you're asking about. He was a Republican for a don't blink second in the 1980s then changed to Democrat. IIRC, he vacillated between Dem and Independent throughout the '90s and into the '00s. He was known to trash the GOP, calling it disastrous. Shortly before deciding to run in 2016 he flipped to Republican.

 

[metis]

One of those on the jury said he was a "MAGA Republican" and often watched MAGA podcasts.

IMO, the jury verdicts were logical based on the testimony but especially Trump's relentless bragging about what he could do with women.

 

[Copernicus]

Only two jurors were from NYC. The rest were from more Republican-dominated areas. It really does not matter what their political affiliations were. When you are on a jury, you look at the evidence and your instructions on what the law is.

As for Donald Trump's politics, I don't think he really cares about political parties. His family were Democrats, because they were in the real estate business in New York city and needed political influence in order to get favors such as abatements. So Fred Trump Sr. was a big donor and made sure to be seen as a Democrat. Donald Trump himself was raised in an atmosphere of corruption and political influence. That doesn't mean that his family, or he, accepted the ideological positions of that party any more than Trump accepts the positions of the Republican Party today. Trump began to align with Republicans after Giuliani became mayor of NYC.

Trump has clear prejudices regarding race and ethnicity, as did his parents, and sometimes those align well with others politically, but I wouldn't call him a loyal Republican. His family's business was penalized for their illegal evictions of renters because of their race and social status. so they were never in favor of "wokeness" so to speak. He is loyal to himself, and it just so happen that he gains immense power and influence these days through his use of that party to achieve his ends.

BTW, I would recommend that people interested in the forces that shaped Trump read the book Too Much and Never Enough, written by his niece Mary L Trump. Although she has a deep grudge against him and that gets reflected in her style, she does a good job of describing the family dynamics that surrounded her uncle as he grew up to become what he has been as an adult.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It's not that they didn't believe her, either a sex crime occurred or it didn't and they determined that it did. Both rape and sexual battery are sex crimes involving penetration. NY has different legal distinctions within sex crimes. They viewed the manner in which he violated her fell under battery.

If you're on the receiving end of an assault, would you care what someone calls it? It wouldn't change the fact you were left violated nor lessen the trauma for you, would it?

Rape and sexual assault have different definitions in NY law. They believed her because they wanted to. There is no direct evidence he did anything.