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Trump is losing the debate acting like a raving lunatic

We Never Know

No Slack
All you said was "For Harris, so far just how she has dodged the media, has flip flopped on several issues, avoid answering questions, etc. All that are true."

She has not dodged the media in the way Trump has--by only taking interviews from softball interviewers. Harris had a real interview with questions that went over may Republican talking points. Trump seldom answers questions put to him, preferring instead to ramble on other topics and flip flopped on many issues, most egregiously on abortion. Nevertheless, you criticize Harris for those things and remain silent on Trump. Nobody is fooled, except maybe for you fooling yourself.
How many mediea interviews has Harris given since becoming the candidate?
Not really. You just made that specific attack on Harris without pointing out that Trump not only avoids questions, but can't stop talking about things that were never asked of him at all.
:facepalm:

Yep. Said dodging avoiding questions about them both.

You act as if I am speaking about a queen lol
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A person deserved to... get shot and killed? You really want to go there? Really? Sure, call her a traitor - but saying someone deserved to get shot and killed? Dude.
She was more than a traitor.

She was one of dozens of angry and threatening insurrectionists attempting to breach the Capitol perimeter in the same place and was killed by somebody tasked with protecting it from America's enemies.

What's your objection to using the word deserved in such a context? Is it your opinion that nobody deserves to be shot and killed in such a setting?

It happens frequently in home invasions, armed holdups, and roadside traffic cop stops when a driver credibly threatens the cop's life. Somebody threatens the life of the homeowner, shopkeeper, or cop, gets killed, and after an investigation to be certain that things were as they appeared to be, the death is called justified. Maybe you like that word better than deserved.

I have zero empathy for all antisocial people. If you attack society, you justifiably become a target and deserving of retribution, which might be as mild as a night in jail and a suspended driving license for drunk driving or as definitive and final as a fatal bullet to the head or chest for reaching for your holster. My advice: don't do things like that, and if you do, don't be surprised when you are resisted with deadly force.
The dems had no choice other than to replace Biden.
Sure, once he resigned. It's not like they weren't going to run any candidate at all.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
They both were inaccurate at times, but Trump was wildly inaccurate far more often:


I found that NPR link to be confusing. Did they actually correct Harris on anything? For example:

HARRIS: “There is not one member of the military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this century.”
This is a common administration talking point, and it's technically true. But thousands of troops in Iraq and on the Syrian border are still in very dangerous terrain. U.S. troops died in Jordan in January on a base that keeps watch over the war with ISIS in Syria.​

So she spoke the truth, yes? They fact-checked her and found that she stated something that was "technically true?"
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I found that NPR link to be confusing. Did they actually correct Harris on anything? For example:

HARRIS: “There is not one member of the military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this century.”
This is a common administration talking point, and it's technically true. But thousands of troops in Iraq and on the Syrian border are still in very dangerous terrain. U.S. troops died in Jordan in January on a base that keeps watch over the war with ISIS in Syria.​

So she spoke the truth, yes? They fact-checked her and found that she stated something that was "technically true?"
Try this site.

HARRIS: “There is not one member of the military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this century.”


"This is false.

While Congress hasn’t formally declared a war in decades, American troops are certainly in combat zones around the world.

They’re serving in places like Iraq and Syria, where they work with local troops to fight terrorist networks. And they also conduct missions in both places — we saw that late last month in Iraq’s Anbar province, where an operation killed 15 Islamic State fighters and two U.S. soldiers were medevaced for injuries (and five more were injured). And a drone attack in Syria last month injured eight U.S. service members.

U.S. troops are also in Somalia and other parts of Africa, where they support local troops fighting terrorist groups, and they’ve been shooting down Houthi drones and missiles in the Red Sea."

 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
But of course that photo of the guy with the dead goose will turn off a lot of Republican voters. Because we all know Republican voters never go hunting. They just can't relate.
Just wanted to point put that the dead goose photo is from Columbus, Ohio and may
There's a lot of waste to be sure, but given the reality of an aggressive Russia, China and other nations, we have to maintain a strong military.
Oh I think we can manage if we cut out some foreign aid.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
She was more than a traitor.

She was one of dozens of angry and threatening insurrectionists attempting to breach the Capitol perimeter in the same place and was killed by somebody tasked with protecting it from America's enemies.

What's your objection to using the word deserved in such a context? Is it your opinion that nobody deserves to be shot and killed in such a setting?

It happens frequently in home invasions, armed holdups, and roadside traffic cop stops when a driver credibly threatens the cop's life. Somebody threatens the life of the homeowner, shopkeeper, or cop, gets killed, and after an investigation to be certain that things were as they appeared to be, the death is called justified. Maybe you like that word better than deserved.

I have zero empathy for all antisocial people. If you attack society, you justifiably become a target and deserving of retribution, which might be as mild as a night in jail and a suspended driving license for drunk driving or as definitive and final as a fatal bullet to the head or chest for reaching for your holster. My advice: don't do things like that, and if you do, don't be surprised when you are resisted with deadly force.
You put it more bluntly than I would, but I agree in principle. I hate seeing people doing stupid, risky things, and suffering the inevitable consequences, but I won't go so far as to lay blame on others they involve against their will, who might well be the source of those consequences. Ashli Babbitt, unfortunately, suffered the consequences of her actions -- but nobody is to blame but her.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This Italian compatriot comments the debate by saying that Kamala Harris has proved that WAR is a feminine noun.

Are you asserting that women should always make different decisions from men when it comes to making decisions of war and peace?
 

Watchmen

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What a shame you retreat to this laughable redoubt of right wing nonsense. All I’m suggesting is that the financial burden of financing the government be shifted more towards those who are better able to afford it. You offer no rebuttal as to why that’s a bad idea.



I’m not arguing the actual numbers. But I have a problem with Mitt Romney paying 12% tax on his income while school teachers pay 20%. I’d rather see that reversed.
So what should they pay? Be specific. What percentage of the tax revenue should come from the top 10% earners. “I don’t know” is not an answer.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
So what should they pay? Be specific. What percentage of the tax revenue should come from the top 10% earners. “I don’t know” is not an answer.
But “lower percent of their income than everybody else” IS a viable and sensical answer? :flushed:

Why? Why should the rich guy pay a lower percent in taxes than you or I?
They earn 90% of the wealth and yet only end up paying 45% of the taxes.
And of course there’s always some right-wing twit who says something stupid like “it’s not fair that the top 1% has to pay 45% of the taxes” as if it’s somehow unfair against those Richie Rich types. :facepalm:
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So what should they pay? Be specific. What percentage of the tax revenue should come from the top 10% earners. “I don’t know” is not an answer.
I've often heard liberals call for a return
to 92% (an historic high). They always
fail to understand that this rate could
only exist with the massive & numerous
deductions (what they call "loopholes")
that avoided economic collapse.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I have zero empathy for all antisocial people. If you attack society, you justifiably become a target and deserving of retribution, which might be as mild as a night in jail and a suspended driving license for drunk driving or as definitive and final as a fatal bullet to the head or chest for reaching for your holster. My advice: don't do things like that, and if you do, don't be surprised when you are resisted with deadly force.
Maybe we should be surprised as a culture by at acts of violence and, gee, I dunno... not okay with them. The fact that we aren't is why humans get stupid things like this happening in the first place - they rationalize violence entirely to readily. You are certainly not helping here.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
This Italian compatriot comments the debate by saying that Kamala Harris has proved that WAR is a feminine noun.



Almost an hour of that? Kill me now. I'll never get how people spend so many, many hours listening to YouTube talking heads.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
The bully was beaten.

For nearly a decade, Donald Trump has tormented his foes, demanded sycophancy from his allies, and debased America’s political discourse. He stiff-armed all comers with derisive nicknames from “Little Marco” to “Sleepy Joe” to “Crooked Hillary.”

Trump fired up supporters with racist rants, snappy slogans, and braggadocio about how he alone would fix everything. He turned American policy upside down by attacking allies and sucking up to dictators. And he counterpunched critics of his incompetence and corruption by claiming it was all “fake news.”

But on Tuesday night, Vice President Kamala Harris pierced the veil of the Trumpian mystique.
She pulled back the curtain on the Wizard of Odd.

For perhaps the first time, many Americans saw there was nothing there but a deranged, old man.

Harris delivered a master class on how to take down a bully. She pummeled Trump and put him in short pants. And she did it with style and substance.



The Wizard of Odd.
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Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
So says the guy that posted polls in his prior comment. And then cites another poll. So good, Harris must have 4% more support since Trump was a raving lunatic, and was in no way the winner (unless lies is the standrad for winning).
Ok I agree you think he is a lunatic. That is all you have? Who cares who won, what matters is did it change any minds?
A few embellishments which isn't unusual for a politican. And not a single word acknowledging that Trump lied. I guess your making this tit-for-tat comment suggests you admit Trump lied.
I admit Trump lied. Is that ok with you? Do you admit Harris lied?
She is nowhere near Trump's level of chronic and habitual lying. Most every comment he mad ein the debate included a lie. It was an outstanding performance to fans of the lying criminal candidate.
This is untrue but is this your standard? At least my candidate does not lie as much as yours?
Trump is a disturbed man, and a convicted felon. He opens himself up to critcism and condemnation. I wonder if you are feeling like these criticism are personal since you are a full hard core MAGA. You have to cope with the stain Trump leaves on your reputation and character bu supporting him so passionately and emotionally. Your choice, you face the fallout.
I am not full hard core MAGA. I have said my reasons for supporting him in another thread. Has nothing to do with my reputation or character. I have actual reasons for supporting Trump you have one reason to support Harris. It makes you feel good to hate Trump and his supporters.

Can you explain why you support Harris without mentioning Trump?
Hard to believe that nearly half the nation thinks Trump is competent and fit to be president. It surely seems related to cult like devotion. Remember Jim Jones? Those poor souls believed his lies, and they literally drank the Kool-Aid. My concern is that if Trump loses will MAGAs follow his orders to attack any number of targets> I could see Trump ordering his followers to vandalize homes and businesses of anyone who has Harris signs. Could you imagine thousands of MAGAs throwing Molotiv cocktails through windows of Harris voters, and perhaps killing families? This wouldn;t be like Jan 6 where the MAGA criminal videoed themselves doing the crimes, these would be people at night attacking citizens. I've seen nearly a hundred Harris/Walz signs in my city, and only one Trump sign. I worry that these homes might become targets for MAGAs.
More slurs and lies, Do you feel better now?
How about you, would you follow Trump's order to attack your fellow citizens if he loses? Would you commit any vioelnce if he claims it was stolen again?
No, I don't believe he would do that but if he did, no.
Yeah, I have no idea why so many citizens are saying Trump. The guy is obviously more unstable and even less coherent than in 2020. And Harris is a better candidate than Biden was in 2020. I have no idea what is going on in the minds of half of America. It makes no sense.
You don't understand because you don't care to understand. You just like to spout hate for Trump and his supporters. I can tell you why Harris's policies are bad and Trumps are good. Can you tell me why Harris's are better and Trumps are bad without insults and slurs?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Yes, we remember that. Do you seriously think that was Biden's fault? Guess what? It was not Trump's fault either. Sometimes inflation cannot be blamed on a President. What is important in such cases is how they recover from it. Biden's goal was a "soft landing". He wanted to go back to the old rates, but he is too aware of economics to try to force a change that results in sudden changes. Sudden changes can be very bad for the economy. We are getting very close to the goal and it was done without any undue hardship on anyone. That is a "soft landing'.
Again, I never argued anything other than the current rate is not the lowest rate in decades s was stated and is incorrect. That was my only argument, I never said anyone was to blame or laud.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So what should they pay? Be specific. What percentage of the tax revenue should come from the top 10% earners. “I don’t know” is not an answer.
Why demand the numbers? Will that convince you that my suggestion is sensible? How about this, do you agree that my suggestion is sensible at face value, that being that the middle class should see significant tax rate cuts while those making over $400K will see an increase? Or do you oppose it completely? If you are opposed to the idea at face value I won't bother with any details.

And do you still think shifting the burden of taxation towards those who csn better afford it socialism/communism? Or have you dropped that?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why demand the numbers? Will that convince you that my suggestion is sensible? How about this, do you agree that my suggestion is sensible at face value, that being that the middle class should see significant tax rate cuts while those making over $400K will see an increase? Or do you oppose it completely? If you are opposed to the idea at face value I won't bother with any details.

And do you still think shifting the burden of taxation towards those who csn better afford it socialism/communism? Or have you dropped that?
$400k/year is middle class in many areas, eg,
anywhere near NYC, where a home that I consider
in a good neighborhood, but is small, needs repairs,
has high property taxes, & costs over $1,000,000.
(I have a specific example in mind.)
 
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