Trump is not an ***-kisser and that's why many don't like him.

[ChristineM]

I started a whole thread devoted to that.
Alas, I cannot find it. So I can't link it.
(It was a challenge to his critics to find anything positive.)
Some examples....
- Re-instituting presumption of innocence for university students accused of sexual assault.
- Tax policy which limited SALT deductions (state & local taxes) which are a subsidy
for homes of the wealthy.

Are you in the camp who see his every policy as bad?
Everyone has some merit in their actions, even Nixon, Obama, Reagan, & Clinton.

I have read about his tax cuts
Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In 2018



I am of the camp who sees people for their actions. I find that if person proudly boasts of groping women that person is very likely not a nice person

 

[Revoltingest]

I have read about his tax cuts
Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In 2018

Were you familiar with the SALT limitations?
What's your opinion of them?

I am of the camp who sees people for their actions. I find that if person proudly boasts of groping women that person is very likely not a nice person

I'm not saying that he's nice, great, or good.
It's about recognizing that virtually every human is a mix.
I've found both good & bad in the Presidents listed earlier.
If one can see only bad, & not a single positive act in a leader,
does this say more about the one judging, ie, that they're
blinded by hatred?
Even I found something to praise for Obama & Nixon. So I'm
sure that you're up to the task of finding something positive about
Trump. (But I can understand the need to shower afterwards.)

 

[fantome profane]

Were they predicted/feared to become Hitlers too?

It is predictable that you will mention Hitler in at least half the threads that mention Trump, and almost always you are the only one who does (or at least the first) Why do you do that? Are you trying to defend Trump, or is is a straw man attack against his critics?

I am one of the most harsh Trump critics, and I have never said he is Hitler, and I don’t see many other people doing it either. If we judged by your posts however we would think Hitler was the only thing anyone ever talked about.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is predictable that you will mention Hitler in at least half the threads that mention Trump, and almost always you are the only one who does.

It's also predictable that you'll jump into my conversation with
someone else to deflect from what I'm posting about & why.
Have you anything to say that isn't ad hominem?

Note:
I've never said that every critic of Trump made the specific
claims I cited. But the claims have nonetheless been made.
Don't be so quick to think it's about you.

 

[fantome profane]

It's also predictable that you'll jump into my conversation with
someone else to deflect from what I'm posting about & why.
Have you anything to say that isn't ad hominem?

It is an open forum. I will not apologize for commenting wherever and whenever I please.

And you are avoiding the question.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is an open forum. I will not apologize for commenting wherever and whenever I please.

And you are avoiding the question.

Your question was mischievous deflection.
But I'll give you something....if first you address my posts
in the discussion you entered, then I'll answer you.

Btw, I didn't ask for an apology.
Far be it from me to deny anyone the right to post.
And surely, you'll grant me the liberty to comment too.

 

[ChristineM]

Were you familiar with the SALT limitations?
What's your opinion of them?

I'm not saying that he's nice, great, or good.
It's about recognizing that virtually every human is a mix.
I've found both good & bad in the Presidents listed earlier.
If one can see only bad, & not a single positive act in a leader,
does this say more about the one judging, ie, that they're
blinded by hatred?
Even I found something to praise for Obama & Nixon. So I'm
sure that you're up to the task of finding something positive about
Trump. (But I can understand the need to shower afterwards.)

No, not really and i have no opinion on them. But you mentioned tax so i considered the link i posted says quite a lot.

I don't even have much of an option about trump

As i say, find a bad person is bad. Doing some good does not change their personality.

 

[Heyo]

I do like to rag on ol' Dettol Donny, but truth is he's a symptom, not a cause. Only a very sick system with many sick voters allowed anyone like him to even approach power, let alone be elected.

And stay in office after indictment. That was a definitive turning point. The GOP could have said "enugh" but they (only exception Mitt Romney) choose to kiss Donalds *** and make all his high jinks their own.

 

[fantome profane]

Your question was mischievous deflection.
But I'll give you something....if first you address my posts
in the discussion you entered, then I'll answer yours.

Btw, I didn't ask for an apology.
And surely, you'll grant me the liberty to comment too.

You post “Were they predicted/feared to become Hitlers too?” implies that everyone is talking about Hitler. That is precisely what I disagree with.

 

[Heyo]

Were they predicted/feared to become Hitlers too?

Yep. They are so far right that they'd be called right wing even in Ameristan.

 

[Revoltingest]

You post “Were they predicted/feared to become Hitlers too?” implies that everyone is talking about Hitler. That is precisely what I disagree with.

You inferred.
I did not imply.

 

[fantome profane]

You inferred.
I did not imply.

too?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

If you like an ***-kisser Trump's not your man.

You poor deluded child.
You just latch onto whatever their propogandists throw at you each and every day.

How The Trump Campaign Weakened The Republican Platform On Aid To Ukraine

Plain Talk: More Trump tax cuts will run the U.S. deeper into the red

Eight Ways the Trump-GOP Tax Cuts Have Made the Rich Richer While Failing Working Families - Inequality.org

Trump and Pompeo Embrace Autocrats and Disparage Opponents at Home

15 times Donald Trump praised authoritarian rulers - CNNPolitics

Basically, tRump is a weakling and a self-serving coward. He kisses butt of dictators and Wall Street CEOs, and everybody else who can provide him (and him alone) with power, safety from prosecution, and money.
And his naïve followers worship him for that. Pathetic.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm skeptical of your ability to predict the future with such certainty.

"Rather suspect...." is hardly "certainty."

 

[Revoltingest]

"Rather suspect...." is hardly "certainty."

For large values of suspicion, it asymptotically approaches certainty.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is predictable that you will mention Hitler in at least half the threads that mention Trump, and almost always you are the only one who does (or at least the first) Why do you do that? Are you trying to defend Trump, or is is a straw man attack against his critics?

It's also predictable that you'll jump into my conversation with
someone else to deflect from what I'm posting about & why.
Have you anything to say that isn't ad hominem?

You attribute a disingenuous intent and then complain of ad hominem. What is the basis of your clai that his purpose was to deflect?

 

[Revoltingest]

You attribute a disingenuous intent and then complain of ad hominem. What is the basis of your clai that his purpose was to deflect?

Here is the relevant portion of my post, the one which offended
the other poster....
"....I'll explain some of the debunked claims by some critics....
Trump hasn't turned out to be the next Hitler.
He hasn't suspended elections to remain in office.
He isn't a murderer responsible for all the plague deaths."

The other poster took offense because he thought it included him.
Note my use of the prefix, "some".
By making it about himself, & fixating on one aspect of one of the
cited criticisms, he ignored the issue, ie, that some critics made
predictions which are bogus.

Your & his posts are deflecting from the the theme of the conversation
I was having with someone else. Is it an unwillingness to face the
fact that some of the most vocal Trump critics are making bogus
predictions & criticisms? And doing so with tacit approval of others?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Isn't this thread a perfect example of the kind of posts that shouldn't be allowed? What is the point of it? It doesn't present any actual ideas, it doesn't invite real discussion or debate - it's just an insult inviting a circle-jerk of negativity about a politician. Why allow a thread like this when you were just asking us earlier how you could better moderate the forum?

I can't discuss the moderation (or lack thereof) of any member's posts with anyone but said member, but here's an answer to your question that is as summarized and as clear as I can possibly offer at the moment: some of us on staff are currently thinking of a plan to overhaul our approach to the entire political forums.

Moderating one or two threads without a policy or approach change wouldn't solve the larger issues we see arising in political threads. Things may change within the next weeks or months, but we need time to first gather member input and draft an overarching, solid policy for political forums.

 

[Yazata]

If you like an ***-kisser Trump's not your man.

I like the way that he returns fire when those who hate him insult him. It seems like the media in particular just can't stand it when he does that. They insult the President daily, they tell endless non-stop lies about him and about those who voted for him, apparently in hopes that if they insult him and his voters enough then those voters will vote the way that the haters want them to vote, just to keep from being insulted any more.

Then they shriek like babies that invisible lines of decency and decorum have been crossed whenever he insults them back. Well, if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I think that a large portion of the American people love the way that he says things that they would love to say themselves. So once again, I suspect that President Trump is 'rope-a-doping' the opposition, just like he did to Hillary. Their over-the-top hate-filled attacks on everything he says and does just hardens his base and drives much of the white middle class who agree with him on many of the economic and cultural issues into his camp. The white middle class in "flyover country" sees what the coastal elites think of them and perceive that the attacks on the President are really attacks on them, on their cultural values and on their economic interests.

 

[Mock Turtle]

As I recall things, the "Chinese virus" naming was in response to their
claiming that Ameristan introduced the it into China. This is not to say
that I approve of this trading of insults & accusations, but his naming
it so is more understandable. To criticize him without giving the background
is to somewhat misrepresent things.

I thought it was Iran who said it might come from a USA lab, and that Trump was the first to use the term (could be wrong though):

Donald Trump is *really* ramping up his efforts to rewrite coronavirus history - CNNPolitics

We have many diseases named after places here, eg, Lyme Disease,
La Crosse Encephalitis, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, St Louis
Encephalitis. The "Wu Han Virus" would've been appropriate.
I see no shame in a name based upon place of discovery.
The "Revoltistan 2 Step" is a gastrointestinal disorder caused
by eating a local fusion dish based upon kim chee & haggis.
It's likened to having pointy helmeted Prussian soldiers march
around in one's enteron.

We get Lyme Disease here too - one has to take care walking in hills and mountains. I've only had to remove one tick fortunately. I quite like haggis, especially the deep-fried variety.