Trump: "I've told them I want more weeks."

[Estro Felino]

We would need to find her and ask her that question. Could you ask her yourself?

She has been taking the pill since she was 16.

That is why.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

She has been taking the pill since she was 16.

That is why.

Yeah, and she is the only human relevant for how those pills work.

 

[Copernicus]

She has been taking the pill since she was 16.

That is why.

Thank you for reporting that to us. We now know why she had so many lovers and no children. Have you asked her about sexually transmitted diseases? With all of those lovers, you'd think that the odds were not in her favor, but she may have been as lucky as she was with the pill.

 

[Estro Felino]

Thank you for reporting that to us. We now know why she had so many lovers and no children. Have you asked her about sexually transmitted diseases? With all of those lovers, you'd think that the odds were not in her favor, but she may have been as lucky as she was with the pill.

Well...
I am different than her. I am very selective with men.

I disapprove of her lifestyle...it was just an example that the pill works.

Or at least... European pharmaceuticals work.

 

[ratiocinator]

She has been taking the pill since she was 16.

That is why.

It's a sensible thing to do, and it will work most of the time - not 100% of the time.

Most people who use contraception properly will not have unwanted pregnancies, but that doesn't mean we should be judgemental about people who are very unlucky - and it will happen to some people in a large population.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a sensible thing to do, and it will work most of the time - not 100% of the time.

Most people who use contraception properly will not have unwanted pregnancies, but that doesn't mean we should be judgemental about people who are very unlucky - and it will happen to some people in a large population.

Not judgmental.
I am very envious.
I envy American women.

 

[Copernicus]

Well...
I am different than her. I am very selective with men.

I disapprove of her lifestyle...it was just an example that the pill works.

Or at least... European pharmaceuticals work.

Most of your pharmaceuticals are probably shipped from India, as they are in the US. Europeans tend to use very different silly names for their medicines, but they are mostly the same. Most of us were pretty well informed as to how the pill and other contraceptives worked and did not need all of that information on the sex lives of your friend and yourself. It might be nice to return to the thread topic, which is marginally concerned with methods of birth control. Other things being equal, most women would likely choose the pill over an abortion, but they'd probably be happier with the vasectomy solution than either of those two choices.

 

[Argentbear]

They can have a better chance to work through the issues the mother is having. A lot of women are scared of pregnancy or there's some relationship issue going on. Hell, my mom actually had an appointment to about me at one point because she was fighting with my dad! (Obviously she didn't go through with it and I think it was more to **** him off.) It's a very intense emotional time.

Anyway, it's just a hypothetical. The point is that good communication is key.

your original claim: "he had the right to a say in the matter is hardly making a claim over her body. It does take two to make a baby, you know. In fact, pro-life people are constantly slandered as promoting "forced birth"

So in the hypothetical of a couple where the woman wants wants an abortion but the man does not want her to have it....what compromise is there?
either the abortion happens or she is forced to go through with the pregnancy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

your original claim: "he had the right to a say in the matter is hardly making a claim over her body. It does take two to make a baby, you know. In fact, pro-life people are constantly slandered as promoting "forced birth"

So in the hypothetical of a couple where the woman wants wants an abortion but the man does not want her to have it....what compromise is there?
either the abortion happens or she is forced to go through with the pregnancy.

I already presented a different choice than the narrow possibilities you have offered, and has nothing to do with that nonsense of forcing anything on anyone. But it doesn't seem you have read the post you're replying to or are choosing to ignore it. You have just already made up your mind to view the pregnancy as a negative and she should do it. That's your bias.

 

[Argentbear]

I already presented a different choice than the narrow possibilities you have offered, and has nothing to do with that nonsense of forcing anything on anyone. But it doesn't seem you have read the post you're replying to or are choosing to ignore it. You have just already made up your mind to view the pregnancy as a negative and she should do it. That's your bias.

No you presented the idea that somehow the woman is having "issues" or is engaging is some sort of gross manipulation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No you presented the idea that somehow the woman is having "issues" or is engaging is some sort of gross manipulation.

Way to miss the point on purpose. Anyway, this conversation has run its course.

 

[Argentbear]

Way to miss the point on purpose. Anyway, this conversation has run its course.

Ok bye bye

 

[oldbadger]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

I don't live in America but I read/hear that a lot of schools will not support, teach or discuss contraception, and if that's right then that could answer you point about pregnancies in such a advanced country.

For that reason maybe a 12 week deadline might be best?

 

[oldbadger]

I would like to meet those women who in 2024 succeed in getting pregnant despite the dozens of kinds of contraceptives available.

In the country which is the first world power.

I would like to ask them how they do that.

And by the way...6 weeks may be a little too short...but 8 weeks seem to be totally fine.

We are not in the Stone Age any more.

I don't live in America but I read/hear that a lot of schools will not support, teach or discuss contraception, and if that's right then that could answer your point about pregnancies in such a advanced country.

For that reason maybe a 12 week deadline might be best?

 

[SkepticThinker]

A movement isn't a solution for everyone.

Half see a fetus as a baby
Half see it as basically a virus parasite

Half see abortion as taking a life
Half see abortion as a convenience

Some don't want abortions at all
Some are ok with abortion with exceptions
Some want abortions period

I could go on but... Those aren't going to change in my lifetime.

That's where the choice part comes in.
See the fetus as a baby? Don't have an abortion if you don't want one. Or do. It's your own personal choice.
Believe abortion is bad? Don't get one if you don't want one. Or do. It's your own personal choice.

 

[LadyJane]

I don't live in America but I read/hear that a lot of schools will not support, teach or discuss contraception, and if that's right then that could answer you point about pregnancies in such a advanced country.

For that reason maybe a 12 week deadline might be best?

This is pretty much the unwritten rule. Most happen before then. And why drawing a line is the problem. As soon as they draw one people are forever going to want to move it. When a doctor is in the best position to make that determination. On a case by case basis.

All the talk of women frivolously getting abortions instead of using contraceptives is complete rubbish.

 

[oldbadger]

This is pretty much the unwritten rule. Most happen before then. And why drawing a line is the problem. As soon as they draw one people are forever going to want to move it. When a doctor is in the best position to make that determination. On a case by case basis.

All the talk of women frivolously getting abortions instead of using contraceptives is complete rubbish.

Thanks for your replies.
All good.