Trump leaves Blue Dress behind a la Clinton

[Shadow Wolf]

It’s ok if I have an opinion, isn’t it?

As long as you're ok with judging people you don't know, because that is exactly what your opinion is doing. And given Trump's history, I see no reason to think she in necessarily lying.

 

[Father Heathen]

So pornographers are honest because politicians aren’t also?

Uh, no. You claimed that pornographiers weren't honest and trustworthy. I was pointing out that polititians aren't known for being honest or trustworthy, either.

Each case on its own merits. In this case who should we believe. You want to believe attention seeking pornographers. Ok, produce the dress. She said they have it. Let’s see it. Prove it. Until then, yeah, I’m sticking with my opinion that these sleazy pornographers are liars.

The dress aside, the evidence against Trump before this was already pretty damning.

 

[Father Heathen]

Wrong. Trump isn’t “in my corner”. Since patently you don’t and can’t know that I like Trump your next comments are rank foolishness. I’m neither a hypocrite nor is my credibility in any way diminished. Unless you can produce any proof that Trump is “in my political corner”, which you can’t because I’ve never said he is, your own credibility is the one going into the garbage.

It's revealed by the way you bend over backwards to defend him while ignoring his sordid history and the surmounting evidence stacked against him.

 

[idav]

Could be. Are you saying that porn makers are always honest? As I said “methinks”, as in my personal opinion. Yes, I think pornographers are less honest than other people. That’s not a certainty, just a more likely. It’s ok if I have an opinion, isn’t it?

Well the lady did take a polygraph for some of the naysayers but I know that wouldnt be enough. I certainly hope there is not video evidence in which case I would rather remain ignorant or uncertain.

 

[Quetzal]

You guys have the most disgusting leaders on the planet.

Trust me... we know.

 

[Mindmaster]

I do. I'd prefer a president with integrity. If he cheated on his wife, you can expect him to cheat elsewhere: in busines with his employees and subcontracts, on his taxes, and even in an election.



You realize that you're describing Trump as well, don't you?



Perhaps, but they are the poorer quality person. We exclude such people from our lives.



Um, yes. Isn't that what a moral standard is? Those that violate it are immoral.

1) Who is this uber-moral ideal creature that everyone must emulate? Who can even agree on what standard of morality we are using? People toss these things around like everyone understands them to be the same thing and that's insanity.

2) Who doesn't make mistakes? More marriages with cheating partners end in reconciliation, not divorce. If their partners forgive them, why can't you?

3) No, your morals aren't everyone else's.

4) It's also faulty logic to presume because he is capable of some sort of sexual exploit with a willing partner that he's susceptible to any other travesty of your morality. That's just straw-manning him into some stereotype that's completely unfounded.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

@It Aint Necessarily So I'm glad you and your family were able to relocate. I am currently not able and soon to be caring for my aging mother as we go forward together without my stepfather in our lives. I'd do just about anything for my mother.

 

[idav]

1) Who is this uber-moral ideal creature that everyone must emulate? Who can even agree on what standard of morality we are using? People toss these things around like everyone understands them to be the same thing and that's insanity.

2) Who doesn't make mistakes? More marriages with cheating partners end in reconciliation, not divorce. If their partners forgive them, why can't you?

3) No, your morals aren't everyone else's.

4) It's also faulty logic to presume because he is capable of some sort of sexual exploit with a willing partner that he's susceptible to any other travesty of your morality. That's just straw-manning him into some stereotype that's completely unfounded.

If people are going to be so accepting of things we need to stop firing all the celebrities and politicians for any sexual misconduct. That or treat the Prez as the rest of the people getting ousted. I recall for example the outrage of the tape of Trump saying lewd things. Bush got fired for it, they demanded his head, the other guy got elected president. There is definitely some genuine hypocrisy going on.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I'd prefer a president with integrity. If he cheated on his wife, you can expect him to cheat elsewhere: in business with his employees and subcontracts, on his taxes, and even in an election.

1) Who is this uber-moral ideal creature that everyone must emulate? Who can even agree on what standard of morality we are using? People toss these things around like everyone understands them to be the same thing and that's insanity.

That's a straw man fallacy. I wasn't referring to an uber-moral ideal creature. I said that I would prefer a president with integrity.

Is avoiding cheating everybody that you can at every opportunity that you get some high moral bar attainable only to the saintly and superhuman? I doubt that you believe that.

But, I guess if you're used to getting down with anyone for money your standards aren't very high in the first place.

You realize that you're describing Trump as well, don't you?

Who doesn't make mistakes? More marriages with cheating partners end in reconciliation, not divorce. If their partners forgive them, why can't you?

You seem to be applying a double standard here. You were (I presume) describing Stormy Daniels in a way that impugns her integrity for taking money for sex, but when I pointed out that your words also applied to the person paying for that sex, it becomes, "Who doesn't make mistakes?"

Anyway, between the two of them, I find her more credible. Why?

First, there is no reason to believe anything Trump says. If he is telling the truth, it is not because it is the truth, but because he thinks it serves him at that moment to do so. If he believes that saying the opposite tomorrow will serve him better then, then that's what he'll say. For example, he's still denying that there was an affair even though the nondisclosure agreement is public knowledge as is the amount of the hush money.

I don't know the woman to be a liar, and her story is consistent with what we know about Trump.

Spoiler: off-topic digression

Stormy Daniels might be lying, but I'm going to have to provisionally believe her because Trump is such a consistent liar, which undermines you even when telling the truth.

I recall back in my days working hospice, a nurse visiting one of our nastier patients was accused by that patient of slapping her around. We didn't believe her, but we changed the nurse anyway. The second nurse was also accused by the patient of slapping the patient as well. What could we do but bring in a third nurse? As you might expect, this nurse was also accused. Nobody was listening any more.

Then the family brought in footage from a nanny cam showing the third nurse slapping the patient around. It turns out that he was offended by this woman falsely accusing him and others, and thought that she deserved the slapping, and that because of her crying wolf in the past, that he could do so with impunity.

And he would have been right had he not been caught on camera.

Anyway, Trump is like that nasty woman. He's lied so much that even if he tells the truth, he isn't believed, the just and proper fate of the known chronic liar.

Perhaps, but they are the poorer quality person. We exclude such people from our lives.

No, your morals aren't everyone else's.

Yes, I know. That's becoming increasingly apparent.

Still, I must make moral judgments using my own moral values, which increasingly seem less American every year. Trump's approval rating is holding at about 40%, the level it's been at for the last year, although it reportedly took a little bump up during the Stormy Daniels matter, hopefully not because of it. Maybe the Trump base liked the tariffs, or the congratulatory phone call to Putin. But it sure didn't mind a tawdry affair with a porn star following his wife's confinement with her new infant baby, hush money included.

40% of Americans approve of such a man. What are we to make of that?

Um, yes. Isn't that what a moral standard is? Those that violate it are immoral.

It's also faulty logic to presume because he is capable of some sort of sexual exploit with a willing partner that he's susceptible to any other travesty of your morality. That's just straw-manning him into some stereotype that's completely unfounded.

My opinion of Trump is not based in just this single incident. I believe that Trump is capable of sexual assault, adultery, violating his oath of office, obstruction of justice, conspiracy against the United States, violations of cybercrime statutes, fraud, facilitating Kushner's pay-to-play influence peddling, violations of FEC regulations surrounding campaign spending, money laundering, tax evasion, and emoluments violations.

I believe that he is a career criminal, and that the facts of that life will become public in the next year or two. I think that it will come to be common knowledge that he made his money by cheating - breaking the law, laundering money through casinos and hotels, stiffing contractors and employees, and defrauding Trump University students. I think that it will be shown that he and is family are societal parasites.

Let's see how this unfolds.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Could be. Are you saying that porn makers are always honest? As I said “methinks”, as in my personal opinion. Yes, I think pornographers are less honest than other people. That’s not a certainty, just a more likely. It’s ok if I have an opinion, isn’t it?

It's politicians who are the lying, sleazy whores here, not the porn actors. Sex work doesn't correlate with lying but working in politics does.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

@It Aint Necessarily So I'm glad you and your family were able to relocate. I am currently not able and soon to be caring for my aging mother as we go forward together without my stepfather in our lives. I'd do just about anything for my mother.

I understand. I wish you and your mother well.

 

[Wirey]

Glad I posted this. Daniels' lawyer just stated that he has no such dress.