Trump Likes Lower Gas Prices

[Revoltingest]

I think someone else here alluded to this. The poor is very susceptible to these taxes. They won't be able to choose in what was supposed to be a free market.

I addressed that....it can be made cost neutral to the poor.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think so? I see a lot of hybrids and they seem to be growing in numbers in northern VA.

Yes, buying habits change with fuel prices.
It's something I watch with keen interest because I worked in that industry.

Have you noticed that trucks with standard cabs are becoming rarer?
Those of us who regularly replace trucks are finding that more & more
used trucks are crew cab. And dealers are stocking ever more of those,
& fewer standard cab trucks. (My new plow truck is new because used
ones were too few. And the dealer had to special order a plain Jane
std cab.) With prices falling (relative to inflation), more & more drivers
are switching to trucks to cart the kids to soccer practice, & haul a boat.

 

[esmith]

Do you think so? I see a lot of hybrids and they seem to be growing in numbers in northern VA.

Naw, the "real" men and women drive trucks.

 

[columbus]

If the tax they pay at the pump is offset by a reduction in other taxes, it's a wash.

But they aren't.
Republicans are all about raising taxes. Just not on the rich folks who send jobs overseas and hire all the illegal immigrants.
They claim that taxing the rich will cost jobs, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Like when Bush cut taxes on high incomes and the country wound up in a huge recession.
The evidence is there.
Tom

 

[Nakosis]

If the tax they pay at the pump is offset by a reduction in other taxes, it's a wash.

Being poor, I wouldn't expect they pay much tax otherwise. Where would you reduce their tax burden?

Note also that poor people in urban areas endure the worst air quality, & would
benefit from less exhaust in the air.

So then you agree? The more poor folks we keep off the road, the better for them as well as the rest of us.

 

[Quetzal]

Have you noticed that trucks with standard cabs are becoming rarer?

That's a good point. Makes me sad because I typically prefer those to full cabs.

 

[Revoltingest]

But they aren't.
Republicans are all about raising taxes. Just not on the rich folks who send jobs overseas and hire all the illegal immigrants.
They claim that taxing the rich will cost jobs, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Like when Bush cut taxes on high incomes and the country wound up in a huge recession.
The evidence is there.
Tom

My proposal isn't based upon Republicans' policies.
And the reason for the recession was 9/11, not the tax cuts (which occurred after the economy began to crash).

 

[columbus]

I addressed that....it can be made cost neutral to the poor.

But it isn't.
Republicans regularly raise taxes, here in Indiana.
They tripled the property taxes on rental property, effectively tripling the tax on the people who can't afford to buy. How is that not a "job killing tax hike"?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Being poor, I wouldn't expect they pay much tax otherwise. Where would you reduce their tax burden?

Their payroll taxes are significant, & could be reduced or eliminated.
I've never been a fan of those anyway.

So then you agree? The more poor folks we keep off the road, the better for them as well as the rest of us.

The more people (rich or poor) who use less fuel the better.
This would result from a host of things, eg, carpooling, more efficient
vehicles, public transportation, reducing unnecessary trips.

 

[Quetzal]

Their payroll taxes are significant, & could be reduced or eliminated.
I've never been a fan of those anyway.

Don't they get most of that kicked back to them during tax return season?

 

[Revoltingest]

That's a good point. Makes me sad because I typically prefer those to full cabs.

For snowplowing, they're far superior.

 

[Revoltingest]

But it isn't.
Republicans regularly raise taxes, here in Indiana.
They tripled the property taxes on rental property, effectively tripling the tax on the people who can't afford to buy. How is that not a "job killing tax hike"?
Tom

I'm not proposing a property tax increase.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't they get most of that kicked back to them during tax return season?

Not payroll taxes.
Those are down the drain.....unless you make it to 62, & start slopping at that trough (like me).
Then you get some back, even though you continue to pay them.

 

[columbus]

My proposal isn't based upon Republicans' policies.
And the reason for the recession was 9/11, not the tax cuts (which occurred after the economy began to crash).

You keep saying this.
But I know differently, because my business is very real estate dependent. The real estate market was booming between the Republican tax cuts and the Republican Recession. I know this because I was there. The custom picture framing industry and the art business were blazing, at the time.
You just don't know what you're talking about, and I know this.
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

Not payroll taxes.
Those are down the drain.....unless you make it to 62, & start slopping at that trough (like me).
Then you get some back, even though you continue to pay them.

Drat. I think I was referring to income tax.

 

[Revoltingest]

You keep saying this.

You keep derailing the thread to make it about your dislike for Republicans.
I sympathize, but please take that somewhere else.

But I know differently, because my business is very real estate dependent. The real estate market was booming between the Republican tax cuts and the Republican Recession. I know this because I was there. The custom picture framing industry and the art business were blazing, at the time.
You just don't know what you're talking about, and I know this.
Tom

You're in the picture framing business?
You don't know jack.

Real estate is my business (not just "dependent on it")......development, finance, commercial,
self storage, brokerage, management, investment.
When the twin towers fell, my commercial tenants downsized, throwing many out of work.
Business fell off, venture capital funding dried up, & owners prepared for tougher times.
That's why people fell behind on loan paymets, & why Countrywide went belly up, & so on.
The stock market crash, which most people notice, began 6 years later.

 

[columbus]

Drat. I think I was referring to income tax.

A big part of the problem here is people saying things that are demonstrably false.
Cutting income taxes, while cranking up the other taxes, is not "cutting taxes". It is shifting the tax burden.
Which is something that Republicans seem very good at, at least by my experience in Indiana. Republicans raise taxes every chance they get. They just don't call it a tax increase. They talk about fiscal prudence. Cut taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the less rich, and pretend that they are "about the people".
Tom

 

[columbus]

You don't know jack.
You're in the picture framing business?

Yes, actually I do.
My rent kept going up because the real estate market was. My parents home value kept going up because the residential real estate market was exploding in value.
But things kept working because the real estate market was going gangbusters. When people got there 401k statements and the bank holding their mortgage kept offering them cheap lines of credit, they kept coming in to my store to buy more stuff. Lots of expensive stuff. Gold leaf, mahogany, super-high tech paper, UV resistant glass, you name it. Yeah, the real estate market boomed for the first few years of the Bush administration.
Then the Recession.
Yeah, actually I do know what was happening. You are wrong.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

A big part of the problem here is people saying things that are demonstrably false.
Cutting income taxes, while cranking up the other taxes, is not "cutting taxes". It is shifting the tax burden.

Then you're misreading
I didn't propose an overall cut in taxes.

Which is something that Republicans seem very good at, at least by my experience in Indiana. Republicans raise taxes every chance they get. They just don't call it a tax increase. They talk about fiscal prudence. Cut taxes on the rich, raise taxes on the less rich, and pretend that they are "about the people".
Tom

Here you go again.
If you just want to whine about Republicans, then I again ask you find a different thread where that's appropriate.
This one's about fuel prices & consequences.

 

[suncowiam]

I addressed that....it can be made cost neutral to the poor.

i missed that. cool