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Trump Puts Women Off Sex. Surprise

David1967

David1967

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Guitar's Cry said:
The logic is: The federal government has a responsibility towards protecting individual rights. Where states restrict these, the Federal government must step in.
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Again, as I mentioned in a different post, perception is a key point. To some, abortion is a right, to others it's the killing of a child.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
David1967 said:
Again, as I mentioned in a different post, perception is a key point. To some, abortion is a right, to others it's the killing of a child.
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That is a big difference. I keep in mind that women aren't seeking to kill children, but to avoid one developing inside them as much as possible to avoid that child and them from suffering. Restricting abortion access also ends up restricting access to medicines and procedures that are important in miscarriages and other women's health issues that don't involve terminating a pregnancy.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Guitar's Cry said:
That is a big difference. I keep in mind that women aren't seeking to kill children, but to avoid one developing inside them as much as possible to avoid that child and them from suffering. Restricting abortion access also ends up restricting access to medicines and procedures that are important in miscarriages and other women's health issues that don't involve terminating a pregnancy.
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They may not be seeking to kill children but I believe that's the end result. Thankfully not many abortions have ever been due to the health of the mother or baby.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
David1967 said:
This is actually an argument put forth by both sides to make their point. It's certainly a matter of perception.
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Not for Trump it isn't, when he seemingly has dismissed climate change and is intent on doing the things that will contribute to such, and mostly because it might affect the wealth and prosperity of Americans - hence appealing to such - but where all nations have to make difficult decisions, and sacrifices, if we are to avert troubles in the future. Anyway, it isn't about perception. The majority of scientists who know about such things are united as to the effects of climate change, and the dangers, hence why we are supposed to be moving away from fossil fuels. Trump, nah he ignores such because the easier alternative garners votes. Is that being intelligent?
 
Argentbear

Argentbear

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David1967 said:
Not really. This is something that happens every administration. If the economy is good his opponents say it's because of his predecessor where his supporters say it's because of him.

As an outdoorsman, I'm certainly against a polluted environment and hope we will do better going forward for all our sakes. Loss of civil rights? I didn't see that in his first 4 years.
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Did you look?
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Kathryn said:
They may not be seeking to kill children but I believe that's the end result. Thankfully not many abortions have ever been due to the health of the mother or baby.
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But, it does occur and the health aspect may not be abortions per se, but procedures and medicines related to abortion. Also, an abortion decision may be due to long term impacts of financial needs or mental-emotional health of the woman or child. Remember in most abortions, it is not a developed person yet. They are well before viability.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Guitar's Cry said:
But, it does occur and the health aspect may not be abortions per se, but procedures and medicines related to abortion. Also, an abortion decision may be due to long term impacts of financial needs or mental-emotional health of the woman or child. Remember in most abortions, it is not a developed person yet. They are well before viability.
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To me, the viability of the baby doesn't matter. It's still a human life, and it's worth saving in my opinion. That's why the two sides of this argument will not reach an agreement.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Kathryn said:
To me, the financial or mental/emotional health of the mom or the viability of the baby doesn't matter. It's still a human life, and it's worth saving in my opinion. That's why the two sides of this argument will not reach an agreement.
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I agree that the two sides will not reach an agreement. I think deferring to medical science in a secular society is important, so the decision to abort, to me, is best left between the woman and the doctor.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Guitar's Cry said:
I agree that the two sides will not reach an agreement. I think deferring to medical science in a secular society is important, so the decision to abort, to me, is best left between the woman and the doctor.
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Whatever you say. I do agree that the two sides will not reach an agreement.
 
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