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Trump Says He Will Invoke the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Trump has told you who his enemies are, far too often. I suppose you missed that, though...:hearnoevil:
@Clizby Wampuscat, you laugh, but perhaps you've forgotten that shortly after his inauguration in 2017, Trump very pointedly called the press “enemy of the American people.”

Attacks on the media were as common as air in his presidential campaign, but this was a real turning point: this kind of language is in very dangerous territory. Twentieth-century dictators, like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao all denounced their critics, especially the press, as “enemies of the people.” Their goal was to delegitimize the work of the press as “fake news” (can you remember anyone using that phrase in the U.S.?) and create confusion in the public mind about what’s real and what isn’t; what can be trusted and what can’t be (like election losses?).

This is the one thing, I'm afraid, that you actually should believe from Trump when he says it. He's an open book, really -- but only if you want to see the truth.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Here are some things that Act permits the President to do. Dictator on day 1.

The president has inherent authority to repel these kinds of sudden attacks — an authority that necessarily implies the discretion to decide when an invasion or predatory incursion is underway.​


Here is section 2:

SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.​

Here is the complete text of the Act:

Good I look forward to the purge of every illegal alien in this country and will happily watch them as they are booted back to their point of origin.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Really?

“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”

Trump has repeatedly invoked the phrase “enemy from within” in recent speeches. On Saturday, he used it to refer to Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., a prominent Trump critic who oversaw the congressional investigation that led to Trump’s first impeachment. Schiff is now running for the Senate.
Here is the exchange

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

Bartiromo: You told me back in February that you were going to rent out Madison Square Garden for a rally. Yeah. And now you’re going to do it at the end of October.

Trump: Not only Madison Square Garden, we’re taking 4 or 5 arenas. We fill them up very fast. As you know, we took where the Islanders play in Long Island.


He is talk here about any left lunatics that may cause violence if Trump is elected. That is clear from this conversation.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Good I look forward to the purge of every illegal alien in this country and will happily watch them as they are booted back to their point of origin.
Why? What harm are they doing
Wouldn't a "purge" cause economic problems? Aren't you concerned about why they came here, or what they'd face if they were expelled.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
@Clizby Wampuscat, you laugh, but perhaps you've forgotten that shortly after his inauguration in 2017, Trump very pointedly called the press “enemy of the American people.”

Attacks on the media were as common as air in his presidential campaign, but this was a real turning point: this kind of language is in very dangerous territory. Twentieth-century dictators, like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao all denounced their critics, especially the press, as “enemies of the people.” Their goal was to delegitimize the work of the press as “fake news” (can you remember anyone using that phrase in the U.S.?) and create confusion in the public mind about what’s real and what isn’t; what can be trusted and what can’t be (like election losses?).

This is the one thing, I'm afraid, that you actually should believe from Trump when he says it. He's an open book, really -- but only if you want to see the truth.
Most of the media is an arm of the dem party. They don't tell the truth, I agree with him. How many stories did they say were false and were true like the Hunter Laptop story or reported as true that were false such as the Russian collusion and dossier. Recently 60 minutes doctored Kamala's answers, you can see the two answers. They are not even trying to hide their bias anymore.

Telling people you cannot question the media is dangerous because the alternative is believing everything they tell you no matter what. Telling people you cannot question an election is dangerous because you will never catch anyone cheating.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
You haven't read the act, have you?
"That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President"

Read that carefully. ANYONE

And with a President with complete immunity and a grudge against political rivals it doesn't require any imagination to see the danger.

I recently defended legal Haitian immigrants on this very forum. I violated that act in that particular Presidents eyes.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's part of it. Unemployment numbers are good. They're not keeping citizens from finding work.
They are working many jobs employers can't find or keep citizens to do. They're paying taxes and social security -- which they'll never be able to use. They're an economic boon.
Well illegal hard drugs are good for the economy too but should we allow it?

It goes along those kind of lines where the under the table economy lines up or conflicts with the organized regulated economy.

The question I would look at is do people really suffer more or benefit more from it?

I would tend to think illegal activity whether it is through illegal migration or criminal enterprise is a little bit too anarchist and far more dangerous then I would see in an economy steered through sensible regulation and responsible organization would be.

As much as I love the anarchy side of things myself, there is still the overall general welfare of a country citizens to keep in mind.

I would not like to see this country turned into an Ecuador, Venezuela , or Mexico no more than I would like to see it turn into a China or Russia conversely by an uncontrollable influx of unvetted foreigners.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Most of the media is an arm of the dem party. They don't tell the truth, I agree with him. How many stories did they say were false and were true like the Hunter Laptop story or reported as true that were false such as the Russian collusion and dossier.
Immediately after the Post published it's story about the laptop Politico said the story “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
Telling people you cannot question the media is dangerous because the alternative is believing everything they tell you no matter what. Telling people you cannot question an election is dangerous because you will never catch anyone cheating.
There is a difference between questioning an election result and spending years denying the validity of an election even though absolutely no evidence that election results were wrong.
 
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