Trump supporter says groping no big deal. Daughters nod in agreement.

[Father Heathen]

Rather disturbing. Thoughts?

 

[Skwim]

Rather disturbing. Thoughts?

After awhile "stupid" becomes so common place that rationality is an outlier.


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[Subduction Zone]

Rather disturbing. Thoughts?

I am sure that there are idiots on both sides. If Kavanaugh did it I can assure you that it is a big deal.

 

[sun rise]

If he would have come out and admitted to doing very stupid things back then and asserted that he regretted them deeply etc, I think there would be no question that he would be confirmed.

But to threaten Democrats using Trump-like language and Biblical allusions and rant and rave as he did, I hope ended his chance to destroy the integrity of the Supreme Court.

 

[Stevicus]

Rather disturbing. Thoughts?

It's hard to say. In my younger days, I heard of some pretty raunchy things happening at parties I couldn't attend because I always had to work. Or even in a crowded nightclub, some people's hands might be found where they're not supposed to be - but so crowded that it's hard to tell who groped whom.

Some people like to be groped, while others don't. Some people think it's the crime of the century, while others might see it as a lesser offense.

 

[Stanyon]

Reuters really dropped the ball by not picking this story up.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, apparently, bodily autonomy doesn't rank to high for Trumpeters.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some people like to be groped, while others don't. Some people think it's the crime of the century, while others might see it as a lesser offense.

Lesser offense, IMO, but definitely keep your hands to yourself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But to threaten Democrats using Trump-like language and Biblical allusions and rant and rave as he did, I hope ended his chance to destroy the integrity of the Supreme Court.

Yup. Even if the allegations aren't true, the way Kavanaugh handled himself is just not what I would consider suitable, desirable, or appropriate for someone of the highest court.

 

[LuisDantas]

Groping is indeed not a big deal... if and when an environment of mutual respect and equality is in place.

But what the scene in the video spotlights is not even a stance about the ethics of groping.

Rather, it seems to be a passionate plea to disregard groping as a lesser concern when compared to the "dangers" of straying "too far" from certain conservative expectations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, apparently, bodily autonomy doesn't rank to high for Trumpeters.

They do tend to be rather vehemently anti-abortion. That means they do not care that much for the bodily autonomy of mothers.

 

[Father Heathen]

So, apparently, bodily autonomy doesn't rank to high for Trumpeters.

Apparently neither does possessing any semblance of class or integrity.

 

[Anthem]

But what does groping have to do with it...

The accusation was never "groping".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They do tend to be rather vehemently anti-abortion. That means they do not care that much for the bodily autonomy of mothers.

Makes me wonder if a correlation here could be established?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I'll be the bad guy here, but I kinda think a lot of this stuff is as big a deal as you make it. Some situations are absolutely predatory and people legit fear for their safety. That's not the situation I'm talking about. In situations where a casual unwanted advance involving physical contact occurs, a quick, loud "**** off creep" and then going on with your day is a better response than endlessly dissecting and reliving it. No, that doesn't make it OK, and no, it doesn't mean anyone should put up with groping.

The entirety of my point is, that in terms of long term mental health, I have to wonder if we're making things worse for people by all this dwelling on how terrible such events are, for want of better phrases, enabling people's internalising of victimhood. I don't want anyone to be sexually assaulted, but I want survivors to be able to, you know, survive, too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The entirety of my point is, that in terms of long term mental health, I have to wonder if we're making things worse for people by all this dwelling on how terrible such events are, for want of better phrases, enabling people's internalising of victimhood. I don't want anyone to be sexually assaulted, but I want survivors to be able to, you know, survive, too.

No one's been trying to "play it up." People need to keep their hands to themselves. The video in the OP, the lady basically says because it happens often it's no biggie. It's not rape, true, but it is an invasion of one's body. Most definitely not proper behavior.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No one's been trying to "play it up." People need to keep their hands to themselves. The video in the OP, the lady basically says because it happens often it's no biggie. It's not rape, true, but it is an invasion of one's body. Most definitely not proper behavior.

I didn't for a moment suggest it was proper behaviour. But if it happens, what's the best response to it, moving on and treating it as a minor incident of no importance, or dwelling on it until it makes you sick?

 

[Anthem]

I didn't for a moment suggest it was proper behaviour. But if it happens, what's the best response to it, moving on and treating it as a minor incident of no importance, or dwelling on it until it makes you sick?

When it comes to trauma it is not a matter of choice.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

When it comes to trauma it is not a matter of choice.

People who traumatised should absolutely be given whatever help they need for a legitimate condition. I just wonder how many people end up in that condition because of how we tell them to think about it in the first place.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't for a moment suggest it was proper behaviour. But if it happens, what's the best response to it, moving on and treating it as a minor incident of no importance, or dwelling on it until it makes you sick?

I'm all for smack a ***** up.