Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Get over what that Trump is a draft dodging cowardly idiot, racist who rejects qualified people of color from his apartments? Yes I'll get over the fact idiots have voted for him
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Trump "Tearing U.S. Apart"?
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Geeze Louise....someone's got some animosity issues.
We're no dumber than the fools who looked at Hillary, & thought....
"Wow! I like her record. And she's got the competence & values I like. She get's my vote!"
Btw, what's wrong with draft dodging?
Hillary avoided military service, & I don't see the left condemning her for this.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Well I voted for bernie....What is wrong with draft dodging? He was too good to go into the military because he is a female organ.
I'd have voted for him over Donald or Hilda.
But he wasn't an option.
Hillary was also too good to go into the military.
What does that make her?
Bernie never served either.
Is he one too?
I dodged it.
Anything to say?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Well bernie was arrested for protesting and so was I
Meh....
Having been arrested for protesting isn't a criterion I consider when voting.
Bernie struck me as best because of where he'd likely succeed (less war), & likely fail (socialism).
Btw, Bernie tried to dodge it, & succeeded cuz of his age & lottery number.
FALSE: Bernie Sanders Dodged the Draft
Hillary had it even easier because of female privilege.
I succeeded cuz Nixon cancelled the draft just before I'd have left for Canuckistan (lottery# 34).
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tytlyf
Not Religious
I live in the US. Where we have a secular constitution. I don't waste any time fearing our government being run out of town by a caliphate. You shouldn't either. It's not even a sane argument.
Trump "Tearing U.S. Apart"?
If 56% of the nation already thinks that "Donald J." is "tearing the country apart," what will that number be after his Administration starts arresting and deporting a million "Dreamers?"
Given that Trump just provided a convicted Sheriff Arpaio with a presidential pardon last week, he can hardly portray himself as the "law and order" President as a pretext for removing the legal protection for the "dreamers!"
If 56% of the nation already thinks that "Donald J." is "tearing the country apart," what will that number be after his Administration starts arresting and deporting a million "Dreamers?"
Given that Trump just provided a convicted Sheriff Arpaio with a presidential pardon last week, he can hardly portray himself as the "law and order" President as a pretext for removing the legal protection for the "dreamers!"
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Him being arrested was not the criteria why I voted for him, it was his reasoning because of civil rights. If you are willing to blemish your record for a good cause I back your cause. As far as Trump it is not just his draft dodging, it is also his racial discrimination practices in his housing discrimination case (See:Decades-Old Housing Discrimination Case Plagues Donald Trump) not to mention having a dad that was associated with the KKK (See:In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Ku Klux Klan riot in New York) not to mention the racism behind the birther movement in which no president in the history of the U.S. was challenged regarding their citizenship. How dumb can the average American can be, to vote a person with a history of bigotry all because they loathe Hillary? I don't like Hillary but I be damned betray my parents who lived in the civil rights era vote for a ******* like Trump.
Donald Trump is the reason why I lost faith in the average American because people do not do research on candidates they're voting for.
I'm not revisiting the election.
Why do you think draft dodging is wrong?
Why is it OK that Bernie & Hillary dodged it, but not Trump?
How can Hillary dodge a draft she was never eligible for???
That's how she dodged it....by being entirely exempt due to female privilege.
The thing no one (but me) is addressing....
Trump is expected to have served in the military....they say it's shameful he didn't.
But not Bernie, Hillary, Bill, Obama, etc.
It smells like a double standard.
And who is to say that it's right for the government to hold a birth date
lottery for healthy hetero males, & stick the losers with the job of dying
for their country, while everyone else has no obligation?
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
In principle it is understood that avoiding being drafted indicates cowardice. In principle of course now there are exceptions to the rule. For example Bernie filed for conscientious objector status because, like Muhammad Ali he was against the Vietnam War due to him (Bernie) being a pacifist. I can respect an objection to going to fight an undeclared war against a people that had nothing to do with American people. Also, why would you mention hilary? You know when were not allowed for military combat. Trump deferred four times and one was for "bone spurs." Come on man! He was clearly trying to avoid the war because we wanted to follow "daddy's foot steps."
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Notanumber
A Free Man
It is creeping ever closer -
Abigail R. Esman responds:
I am deeply honored that the United States State Department has taken the time to read my piece, and indeed, to craft this thoughtful response. What I regret, however, is that the authors of this letter seem to have entirely missed the point.
I do not for a moment doubt the good intentions of the US Department of State and other advisors in accepting resolution 16/18, or their devotion to the Constitutional right to free speech. (Although I do still maintain strongly that the US should never have gone to the table to negotiate that right in the first place.) The problem I am pointing to in this piece, however, is the question of who defines “incitement to violence,” and how. While drawing a caricature of the prophet Mohammed does not constitute “incitement to violence” for the United States of America, it does for members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. By agreeing to criminalize “incitement to violence” and to use all means at its disposal to prevent and to punish such actions, the US has – however unwittingly – enabled the OIC to use the measure against us – and other members of the free world. Evidently – and understandably – the Department of State, Human Rights First, and others who have supported this motion are more optimistic about this possibility than I am. Time will tell.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/abigai...s-un-anti-free-speech-measure/3/#53dda85b2aaa
Notanumber
A Free Man
Has anyone read the book that Pat recommends?
Does your use of the passive voice mean you personally don't agree with that view?
Anyway, I think cowardice is a fine motive for self preservation.
By your rationale, most people are cowards for not enlisting or being drafted.
Good for them, I say.
But there are other reasons to avoid the draft.....
- Belief that the war is wrong.
- Family commitments.
- Having better things to do with one's time.
- Belief that the draft is wrong, particularly since it is discriminatory & capricious
- Disdain for the regimentation, low pay, waste, abuse & other nasties soldiers endure.
It only affected healthy males of a certain age who had low lottery numbers.
So their dodging is OK because it suited them personally?
How convenient.
A whole lotta guys suddenly & conveniently found God & pacifism when Uncle Sam wanted
them to defend everyone else for low pay & great disrespect when coming home from the war.
You supported her election, yet she had no military service...just like Trump.
Do you believe that females are entitled to the special privilege of being exempt from compulsory service?
Women have served militarily in Americastan during & before the VN War.
How do you know his draft dodging was any less cromulent than your Bernie Sanders or Muhammed Ali?
Hey....what war were you drafted to fight in?
What was your draft lottery number? (Mine was 34.)
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Question....Who said I supported Hilary's election? Please do not insinuate things that are untrue but explain this.
In an election with only 2 viable candidates, one is to be favored over the other.
If I pick one evil as the lesser, & you oppose this, then you're left with preferring
the other. While "support" was a poorly chosen word, you get my meaning, ie, to
say voting for Trump is wrong sure looks like saying that voting for the other is better.
Silly analogy time.....
You have a diseased appendix.
You can....
1) Go under the knife, & have it removed.
2) Let it burst & die.
Without knowing about the appendix, I could argue against having someone drug
me & slice me open. But under the circumstances, this beats the alternative.
Context matters.
No option to choose exists in a vacuum.
So what's your military experience?
Actually, Bill Clinton did get a lot of flak for being a "draft dodger." But by the time G.W. Bush was a candidate, he was also vulnerable to the same charge as "draft dodger," so it appears that both sides dropped that as a viable issue to attack someone with.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
You've made two different analogies. Okay look, I am still half asleep cause it is past 7am here. Here is the deal, I voted for bernie because his views aligned with mine. I thought he was the best candidate for the U.S. But the DNC railroaded him but that is neither here nor there now.
As far as my military experience there is none cause I never joined because I was supposed to play Division 1 basketball. I didn't, so things turned out differently. I do have a military family. On my mother's side I have an uncle that was a frogman. On my dad's side I have two twin cousins (deceased) that were jarheads. What else you wanna know?
That is why if you met me I am yes sir nor sir kinda guy.