Trump Threatens to Jail Clinton if He Wins Election!

[Lighthouse]

I perceive that she has a lot of experience. I perceive that she is (as are we all) a flawed human being, but with many strengths -- not least of which is a very good head for policy, a work ethic that is at least admirable. I perceive that she made efforts as first lady to at least try to tackle health care (the country wasn't ready then). I perceive that she will follow many of the policies of the Obama administration. That may sound like a bad thing, but think about it for a moment -- what kind of economy did Obama inherit in 2008? And where is it now? What's the unemployment rate? Where's the dollar, around the world? How many people now have at least some kind of health care who previously had none, and no hope of getting any?

Complex problems often get less than perfect solutions, for the simple reason that they are so complex. As Hillary herself said, during the debate on the subject of health care, yes there are problems, yes there are costs that are running out of control. As Metis said, I think in this thread, does that mean that taking 20 million people off the roles of those eligible for some kind of health care a "good thing?" What did Trump offer? "Repeal it. Throw it out and do something else." What else? He didn't actually say, did he? Go back and listen to the debate again. That's all he said -- "toss it and do something else. Heck, I don't know what, but what could it hurt?" (I paraphrased and somewhat invented that last bit.) What could it hurt? Think about that for a moment, but instead of "what," consider asking "who."

Thank you. Words are words. Lots of experience she does possess. The entire healthcare system needs reform in my opinion. The country spends billions upon billions in research and people are just getting sicker. More people getting sicker, the bigger the burden on healthcare and more costs. The more costs for employers. Getting out of control. The research has led nowhere other than the big players reaping in billions. I do wish he would offer more substance on this. Hillary just spoke fluff with also offering nothing on what she would do.
Setting emotion aside: here was one suggestion,

"We have to get rid of the lines around the state, artificial lines, where we stop insurance companies from coming in and competing, because they want -- and President Obama and whoever was working on it -- they want to leave those lines, because that gives the insurance companies essentially monopolies."

"Once we break out the lines and allow the competition to come ... President Obama, by keeping those lines, the boundary lines around each state, it was almost gone until just very toward the end of the passage of Obamacare..."

Whether this is a good idea is up for debate, but he did suggest something rather than fluff if we were to set emotion aside.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Another great side of the debate and Trump’s dominance of the issues, was that Kathy Shelton, the 12-year-old rape victim

Yeah, this is the best support money can buy!

Sexual assault victim critical of Clinton paid by Trump ally

Five Facts about the Shelton Case

What's more... in a Shelton interview done in 2008 during Clinton's first attempt to become President, Shelton first learned that Clinton was the defense lawyer and commented that she thought Clinton was "just doing her job". This article was available two days ago, but I can't find it anywhere right now. I would love it if someone could find the link.

So what caused the change in her demeanor towards Clinton? It would seem that she has been bought and paid for by friends of Trump. If you fell for this, you've been Trumped again. Here's some fun for those that thought this was legit: If you say gullible slow enough, it sounds just like oranges. Don't take my word for it: TRY IT. But it's got to be said really, really slowly. Insanely slowly. Tell me if you get it.

 

[Scuba Pete]

when Trump had just hit another home run saying Captain Khan would be alive if only he was President

When did flights of fantasy become 'home runs'??? This is dangerously delusional and reminds me of the same kinds of delusions entertained by North Korea's Leaders. Do we really want to become the world's next North Korea? This is insanity, but I guess that's the price you must pay to vote for Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

And it was found, numerous times. there was nothing to bring her to trial for.

I disagree with those who found nothing prosecutable.
It looks like wrongrful political influence (the Comey, Lynch & Bill confab).

 

[Scuba Pete]

I disagree with those who found nothing prosecutable.

Says the man with absolutely no access to the evidence.

I would guess that you don't like her. Not one bit. That you're more than a bit biased. Which is one of many reasons you weren't asked to evaluate said evidence. Me? I like that a Republican, one that even indicted her husband, was able to be completely unbiased in his investigation and came to the conclusion he came to.

FWIW, I would be biased in the opposite direction and am glad they didn't pick me either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I disagree with those who found nothing prosecutable.
It looks like wrongrful political influence (the Comey, Lynch & Bill confab).

Even Republicans have investigated. But people still complain and link to her Benghazi. And it's not just "wrongful political influence," but the opinion of many legal experts that she is not guilty of committing any crimes. Her whole email thing is not as clear cut as the Right wants it to be.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I just saw this on CNN: Trump wanted the 4 Femme Fatales to confront President Clinton as the Families walked in before the debate. The Debate organizers prevented these Reality Show theatrics from happening and made them enter and sit away from Clinton. That he's paid these women to show up is immoral and should be illegal. As one Congress Woman suggested (and I paraphrase): "Trump has introduced a whole 'nother level of gutter to this campaign!" Trump is truly deplorable and many who support him belong right in the basket with him.

Jerry Springer ain't got nuthin' on Trump!

 

[idav]

What's more... in a Shelton interview done in 2008 during Clinton's first attempt to become President, Shelton first learned that Clinton was the defense lawyer and commented that she thought Clinton was "just doing her job". This article was available two days ago, but I can't find it anywhere right now. I would love it if someone could find the link.

I had thought it bad enough Trumps campaign bringing alleged victims into the debate. Trump trying to get them to confront Bill Clinton at the Presidential debate is something else. As if Trump doesn't have his own allegations to deal with, trying to throw his opponents spouse under the bus is too much. Pure deflection because of Trumps own issues.

Here is the quote you were referencing.

“I have to understand that she was representing Taylor,” she said when interviewed in prison last fall. “I’m sure Hillary was just doing her job.”
This story appeared in Newsday’s print edition on Feb. 24, 2008.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...n-rape-case-caused-clash-of-ideals-1.12431056

The whole getting paid thing is another twist thats just too much. Looks like Kathleen Wiley may get her mortgage paid, been in the making for a while.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/kathleen-willey-wants-you_b_9214478.html

 

[Scuba Pete]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/...n-rape-case-caused-clash-of-ideals-1.12431056

Thanks for that. I hate when I read something and then can't find it later when I need it.

All this for a political stunt. People who try to benefit off the tragedy of others should never be president. 'Nuff said.

 

[Revoltingest]

Says the man with absolutely no access to the evidence.

Enuf was made public to opine reasonably.

I would guess that you don't like her. Not one bit. That you're more than a bit biased. Which is one of many reasons you weren't asked to evaluate said evidence. Me? I like that a Republican, one that even indicted her husband, was able to be completely unbiased in his investigation and came to the conclusion he came to.
FWIW, I would be biased in the opposite direction and am glad they didn't pick me either.

I stand humbled in the shadow cast by your far more embiggened bias.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even Republicans have investigated.

Too bad the FBI didn't.
But then, they work for a boss on her side.

 

[Scuba Pete]

But then, they work for a boss on her side.

No, they don't. The FBI works for us. They have no recourse on any individual agent.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, they don't. The FBI works for us. They have no recourse on any individual agent.

What I referred to is the fact that Obama is their boss.
The potential for influence is great.
And if Trump becomes prez, I'd expect partisan shenanigans to continue.

 

[Scuba Pete]

What I referred to is the fact that Obama is their boss.
The potential for influence is great.

Suggest that to an FBI agent, and I bet you've started a fight. He might have some sway over the FBI director, but it ends there. Moreover, I don't see Obama trying to exercise that kind of influence. He's not Trump. He hasn't tried to throw his enemies in the American Gulag.

 

[Revoltingest]

Suggest that to an FBI agent, and I bet you've started a fight. He might have some sway over the FBI director, but it ends there.

Of course, Obama would never lower himself to direct a lowly agent.
But as you say, the director is vulnerable.
And from him come the pawns' marching orders.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Of course, Obama would never lower himself to direct a lowly agent.

The cynicism is strong with this one.

 

[Ana.J]

The guy is crazy. I do not envy those who would elect such a leader....

 

[Scuba Pete]

The guy is crazy.

The queen of the understatement! I call that Bat Sh*t Crazy.

 

[esmith]

If you are saying if it went to the DOJ then nothing would have happened because then it would the AG's call, then wouldn't you want a different party to investigate it, one that is apparently unbiased or free of other claims that bring about this "not going to happen?"

No, what I'm saying is that the Director of the FBI should not have made the decision. All the FBI should have done is investigate then give the results of the investigation to the AG. In other words I think the Director of the FBI took a fall for the DOJ.
But all of this is a moot point. There was no way this investigation was going to a Grand Jury. Do you really think that this administration was going to allow that to happen? Remember the proclamation in Animal Farm that "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others".

 

[Underhill]

Trump is unpredictable because he lacks a record.
But I wouldn't be surprised if as prez he conducts a scorched earth campaign against her.
(I sense some hostility there.)

Yep, he's a vindictive piece of work.