Trump Threatens to Jail Clinton if He Wins Election!

[Underhill]

No, what I'm saying is that the Director of the FBI should not have made the decision. All the FBI should have done is investigate then give the results of the investigation to the AG. In other words I think the Director of the FBI took a fall for the DOJ.
But all of this is a moot point. There was no way this investigation was going to a Grand Jury. Do you really think that this administration was going to allow that to happen? Remember the proclamation in Animal Farm that "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others".

We've been through this multiple times. I've posted the links to the policies of the SoC and AG on private employees (non military) and the actions they take against people who do what she did. Normally they would be fired. As this didn't come out till she left office, obviously that isn't an option. But the notion that this is prosecutable has always been a sham. Only in the military do they take it that serious.

 

[Revoltingest]

The cynicism is strong with this one.

This isn't cynicism.
It makes perfect sense that if a prez wanted an investigation or prosecution to
proceed a certain way, he'd deal solely with the FBI's head, not the underlings.

 

[Scuba Pete]

It makes perfect sense

I don't see an abuse of power as making "perfect sense". Why do you? I stand by my previous statement about your cynicism.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't see an abuse of power as making "perfect sense". Why do you? I stand by my previous statement about your cynicism.

Oh, dear.....
You misunderstand.
(Nitrogen narcosis again?)
I'm not advocating any such action.
Just speculating about what can happen.
(Do you like how my sentence length increases?)

 

[idav]

This isn't cynicism.
It makes perfect sense that if a prez wanted an investigation or prosecution to
proceed a certain way, he'd deal solely with the FBI's head, not the underlings.

For all the conspiracy that Obama has his sway, Trump essentially said HE WILL wield his authority as President.

 

[idav]

Oh, dear.....
You misunderstand.
(Nitrogen narcosis again?)
I'm not advocating any such action.
Just speculating about what can happen.
(Do you like how my sentence length increases?)

Experts say threat to Jail Clinton smacks of tin-pot Dictator

 

[McBell]

Trump threatens to jail Clinton if he wins election

CNN’s Dana Bash: Trump’s ‘stunning’ threat to jail Clinton was like ‘Stalin or Hitler’

Democrats and Republicans Agree: Donald Trump Was Wrong to Threaten Hillary Clinton With Jail

In a comment worthy of a dictator, Donald Trump threatened in Sunday night's presidential debate to jail Hillary Clinton if he was elected president.

Comments?

um...
Is that better than trying to get someone to shoot her?

 

[Revoltingest]

For all the conspiracy that Obama has his sway, Trump essentially said HE WILL wield his authority as President.

I don't think that it's conspiracy theorizing to say that a presidents have
influenced the AG & FBI, & could continue to do so.
It's in the nature of our system because one has authority over the other.
And I suspect Trump would be not the best candidate to have in that role.
(Not that Hillary is any better.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Experts say threat to Jail Clinton smacks of tin-pot Dictator

'Experts' cited by MSN using objective language like "tin pot dictator"?
Pbbbbtttttttt!
I'm sure 'experts' cited by Fox would disagree.
People get so worked up over partisan politics.
Objectivity is the first casualty.

 

[esmith]

We've been through this multiple times. I've posted the links to the policies of the SoC and AG on private employees (non military) and the actions they take against people who do what she did. Normally they would be fired. As this didn't come out till she left office, obviously that isn't an option. But the notion that this is prosecutable has always been a sham. Only in the military do they take it that serious.

So only the military is worried about national security, whereas civilian government employees could give a s**t less, as exhibited by the Hillary, is this what you are saying?
So are you speaking for all civilian agencies, or only those that you don't have an issue with?

 

[metis]

Just a reminder that the FBI is classified as an "independent agency", thus the president and congress have no control over their decisions other than through new appointments.

That agency looked into what Hillary did, rightfully heavily chastised some of her actions imo, but found that nothing that would involve criminal wrong-doing went to the extent of bringing criminal charges.

BTW, the FBI investigator was a Republican appointee, if my memory is correct. The only reasons why this is being pushed the way it is by the Republicans is because it's an election year and that it's "Hillary". Meanwhile, many of them still support the candidate that actually has admitted that he has groped women, contrary to what he has said recently, plus he has prided himself in being able to walk into the Miss American changing room while women are in various stages of undress. Is that really presidential-type of behavior, or is it of a man who exhibits both lewd and criminal behavior?

I guess a question I would have to ask to those still supporting Trump would be if your daughter told you that she has a date with Trump for the evening, just the two of them, what would you be thinking?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't think America wants another 20 years of CLINTON-BUSH, BUSH-CLINTON. Pray Trump wins. She is the status quo, the CLINTON BUSH team. We need a change, and that is Trump.

Sorta the "I don't like my decor, so I'll burn my house down" approach, eh?

 

[Underhill]

So only the military is worried about national security, whereas civilian government employees could give a s**t less, as exhibited by the Hillary, is this what you are saying?
So are you speaking for all civilian agencies, or only those that you don't have an issue with?

No, I am telling you what the policies were for those departments at the time it happened. Their policy was that, depending on the severity, they would either be reprimanded or fired.

I didn't make the policies, I don't know what the thinking was behind them. Being fired is not a trivial thing for most of us but whether it is severe enough completely misses the point. Clinton didn't do anything to reach the level of criminality. This was the conclusion of the FBI as well.

I agree that what she did was stupid. But I also think it's absurd the way this was handled by those in charge of security. When her people asked if she could get a secure cell phone like Obama carries they were told it would be too expensive. *boggle

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He didn't exactly threaten to jail her. he wouldn't have that power.

... if he obeys the law.

He suggested that he would have whatever resources available to him to look into her case. It could be a waste of time and energy, like trying to impeach a president when he had sexual relations outside of his wife.

I took him to mean that he'd use whatever power he had to put Clinton in jail, and that he thought he could be successful.

 

[idav]

Only argument to vote him in tbh

It's only an argument for needing checks and balances which there already are. Trump talks as if he will abuse his authority if appointed. Similar to Nixon firing DOJ officials for not agreeing with him, when that happens we have to resort to impeachment when the president tries to be above the law. Obama did no such thing.

 

[esmith]

Just a reminder that the FBI is classified as an "independent agency", thus the president and congress have no control over their decisions other than through new appointments.

That agency looked into what Hillary did, rightfully heavily chastised some of her actions imo, but found that nothing that would involve criminal wrong-doing went to the extent of bringing criminal charges.

BTW, the FBI investigator was a Republican appointee, if my memory is correct. The only reasons why this is being pushed the way it is by the Republicans is because it's an election year and that it's "Hillary". Meanwhile, many of them still support the candidate that actually has admitted that he has groped women, contrary to what he has said recently, plus he has prided himself in being able to walk into the Miss American changing room while women are in various stages of undress. Is that really presidential-type of behavior, or is it of a man who exhibits both lewd and criminal behavior?

I guess a question I would have to ask to those still supporting Trump would be if your daughter told you that she has a date with Trump for the evening, just the two of them, what would you be thinking?

You do realize that the FBI is a department of the Dept of Justices don't you?
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is the domestic intelligence and security service of the United States, which simultaneously serves as the nation's prime federal law enforcement agency. Operating under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI is concurrently a member of the U.S. Intelligence Community and reports to both the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence.[2] A leading U.S. counterterrorism, counterintelligence, and criminal investigative organization, the FBI has jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal crimes.[3]

The following link gives the "independent agencies" within the United States. Do you see the FBI listed?
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/outlines/...f-the-presidency/the-independent-agencies.php

Or is it you have a different definition of "independent agency".

 

[suncowiam]

... if he obeys the law.


I took him to mean that he'd use whatever power he had to put Clinton in jail, and that he thought he could be successful.

It's just a big song and dance.

But let's assume he'll actually follow up on this because I don't believe him nor do I believe Clinton that much... But let's assume.

The hypothetical results will determine if this was the right action. He's rolling the dice. If Clinton was found guilty through extra evidence then that proves he and many others were right. If nothing came about this then it would just hurt him more.

Reminds me of this couple that just married. He was suspicious of her cheating on him so he installed a secret camera in the house. He caught her flirting with another man on the phone. She was angry that there was a secret camera in the house. So who's right and who's wrong?

 

[Mister_T]

Trump threatens to jail Clinton if he wins election

CNN’s Dana Bash: Trump’s ‘stunning’ threat to jail Clinton was like ‘Stalin or Hitler’

Democrats and Republicans Agree: Donald Trump Was Wrong to Threaten Hillary Clinton With Jail

In a comment worthy of a dictator, Donald Trump threatened in Sunday night's presidential debate to jail Hillary Clinton if he was elected president.

Comments?

The fact that Trump had to use sophisticated terminology such as "special prosecutor," should tell everyone what a empty threat it really is. Special prosecutors sound like the equivalent of unicorns, but I doubt his base will care much if at all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The fact that Trump had to use sophisticated terminology such as "special prosecutor," should tell everyone what a empty threat it really is. Special prosecutors sound like the equivalent of unicorns, but I doubt his base will care much if at all.

Sounds like a dog-whistle for people who remember Kenneth Starr and the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

 

[leibowde84]

By the law, if she found to be guilty.

They conducted an investigation already and found that there was no evidence of crimes committed.