Trump to Order Investigation of Voter Fraud...

[Quetzal]

Can we use two different candidates this time?

Oh hell yeah.

 

[Quetzal]

I sense money being wasted.

As do I. But given the Exec. Order to begin construction on the wall, it seems there will be a lot of that going around. I just hope taxes don't go up because of it.

 

[Underhill]

Good! I hope that they do a thorough and impartial investigation and put this thing to bed once and for all. I also hope that all the findings of this investigation are released to the public regardless of what they are.

If there really was major voter fraud they need to find out and figure out how to prevent it in the future. If there really wasn't then they need to stop claiming that there was.

The problem I foresee is that if one over zealous moron in San Fransisco voted illegally, it will be used to justify draconian changes that will, of course, benefit the right.

 

[Underhill]

As do I. But given the Exec. Order to begin construction on the wall, it seems there will be a lot of that going around. I just hope taxes don't go up because of it.

Nah, taxes don't go up under Republicans till the second term. The deficit, on the other hand....

 

[metis]

Do you have a source for this?

Not really as this was four decades ago. If my memory is correct, it was either Newsweek or Time that ran the article I'm referring to.

 

[metis]

Ge used to it, you have four years of this ahead of you.

Sorry, but I'm not going to "get used to" a president who's taking actions all too reminiscent of fascists we've seen before. The suppression of the media and using "alternative facts" are one of the first two steps fascists use when consolidating power.

 

[Revoltingest]

During the latter stage of Nixon's final term, he was showing signs of severe stress whereas people were really questioning if he could start a nuclear exchange.

I'm surprised you aren't aware of this deliberate strategy.
Madman theory - Wikipedia

The madman theory was a feature of Richard Nixon's foreign policy. He and his administration tried to make the leaders of hostile Communist Bloc nations think Nixon was irrational and volatile. According to the theory, those leaders would then avoid provoking the United States, fearing an unpredictable American response.

 

[fantome profane]

Not really as this was four decades ago. If my memory is correct, it was either Newsweek or Time that ran the article I'm referring to.

All of the reporting that I have seen on this issue recently indicates that Donald Trump now has the ability to unilaterally launch nuclear weapons. If Donny decides to bomb China, those missiles will be in the air in less than 30 minutes, and nobody would be able to prevent this from happening.

 

[metis]

All of the reporting that I have seen on this issue recently indicates that Donald Trump now has the ability to unilaterally launch nuclear weapons. If Donny decides to bomb China, those missiles will be in the air in less than 30 minutes, and nobody would be able to prevent this from happening.

Going by what has been said, I agree with you. However, where there may be a caveat is that there may be a reluctance to give any alternative pecking order that maybe in place for security reasons.

With what I mentioned back in Nixon's time, they said that there was a plane with a top general or admiral aboard that needed to give the OK with the president for a launch of strategic nukes, but the location of the plane, where it took off from, and whom was aboard was never announced, and for rather obvious reasons.

 

[esmith]

Maybe this will lead to requiring photo ID for elections. Got to have it for everything else, so what's your problems with doing so.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I'm glad he brought this voting fraud up. It's already nabbed that heinous criminal Tiffany Trump! Score!

 

[Underhill]

I'm surprised you aren't aware of this deliberate strategy.
Madman theory - Wikipedia

Heard of it. Have serious doubts that this is what we are seeing... I mean unless Trump started the role 20 years ago...

 

[Underhill]

Maybe this will lead to requiring photo ID for elections. Got to have it for everything else, so what's your problems with doing so.

I suspect this is the interim goal. Less poor people voting being the ultimate goal...

 

[Revoltingest]

Heard of it. Have serious doubts that this is what we are seeing... I mean unless Trump started the role 20 years ago...

Perhaps we'll know in 20 years, eh.

 

[metis]

I'm glad he brought this voting fraud up. It's already nabbed that heinous criminal Tiffany Trump! Score!

And KellyAnne Conway said this morning offered another "alternative fact" on Tiffany's supposed elimination of one of her two voting sites.

 

[Underhill]

Perhaps we'll know in 20 years, eh.

I'm always a bit suspicious of that kind of thing anyway. Perhaps it was the plan all along, or perhaps it was an Urkel moment.

"I meant to do that..."

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm always a bit suspicious of that kind of thing anyway. Perhaps it was the plan all along, or perhaps it was an Urkel moment.

"I meant to do that..."

It's useful to look at the timeline.
Nixons madman strategy began before the stress of the Watergate scandal.
As for Trump, time will tell.

 

[habiru]

Every major intelligence agency, along with private security experts, says it is likely Russia tampered with the election. Yet Trump refuses to act and even claims that if it happened it didn't have an impact.

However, with zero evidence of voter fraud he is ordering an investigation because it interferes with his narrative that he won the popular vote.

Pretty sad state of things.

Trump calls for 'major investigation' into voter fraud - CNNPolitics.com

Damn!!!, President Trump was just a few votes off ... I believes that there were more noncitizens votes. Because Obama was bring them in as if there were a subway from their countries to ours...
I call for another recount on the illegal immigrants votes...

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds

 

[Underhill]

Damn!!!, President Trump was just a few votes off ... I believes that there were more noncitizens votes. Because Obama was bring them in as if there were a subway from their countries to ours...
I call for another recount on the illegal immigrants votes...

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds

It's fake news...

Fake News: Washington Times Says Hillary Received 800,000 Votes From Illegal Voters

In fact here is a link to a blog by the author of the study they took these numbers from. She opens the article with, "Although Press Secretary Sean Spicer claimed today that millions voted illegally in the November 2016 election, on November 28, 2016 I published the following statement indicating that our analysis does not support his claim. Since then, no new data, facts or analyses have emerged that require us to revisit or change the findings of the 2014 study to which Mr. Spicer refers. We stand by our findings."

Is it plausible that non-citizen votes account for the entire margin of Trump's popular vote loss to Clinton? | Jesse Richman

She goes on to explain that this is extrapolated data, based upon research in 2008,and many states now require more ID than they did in that study. Further, she says she has come to the conclusion that those high estimates from 2008 are probably way off, with the lowest estimates likely to be closer to reality.

 

[Underhill]

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I didn't claim no illegals voted, only that the 800,000 number is way off, and this is from the person who came up with it. First she gave an estimated range (350,000-800,000) that was based upon old data, that was probably high to begin with, and is certain to be much lower now than it was when it was collected.

The author herself said the number was probably closer to the 350,000 number then, and surely is lower than that now. This is not the media, this is from the author of the original study sourced by your links. So less than 350,000 many of which were in border states that already went to Trump. So no, they didn't make an ounce of difference in this election and they are nowhere near enough to explain the millions of votes Clinton won with in the popular vote.